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RE: Proposal: Keep Group Unified, Don't Divide into Taskforces

From: Appelquist, Daniel, VF-Group <Daniel.Appelquist@vodafone.com>
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 12:49:18 +0100
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Hi All --

Apologies for wading into this discussion late -- however, I'd like to put in a word of support for the idea of task forces.  We have been running with task forces in Mobile Web Best Practices wg (a working group not an XG but still hopefully instructive).  We have had good experience with this approach, spinning off task forces (with task force leaders and their own call schedules, mailing lists) and bringing these task forces back into the main group when they have completed or produced something that then needs to be considered by the whole group.  I think this could be a good mechanism for working for the proposed XG as long as the task force leaders are willing to put in the requisite work to marshal the task forces accordingly.

I would also like to voice support for some mobile-specific activity within the XG.  This would fit well with the new set of activities being undertaken by the Mobile Web Initiative which also have a mobile-social component.

I also support the idea of not biting off more than we can chew.  If there are activities that naturally belong in the PLING interest group then that seems to make sense, as long as there is a linkage back to the work of the XG.

I look forward to participating in the call on Wednesday and in the ongoing work of the XG.  I could even throw my hat in the ring as a potential XG co-chair or task force leader if needed.


-----Original Message-----
From: public-social-web-talk-request@w3.org [mailto:public-social-web-talk-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Venezia Claudio
Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 10:56 AM
To: 'Harry Halpin'; Renato Iannella
Cc: public-social-web-talk@w3.org
Subject: RE: Proposal: Keep Group Unified, Don't Divide into Taskforces

Hi Harry, all,

as said during the workshop operators would be interested in getting to a standard definition of social context, as a set of information which might range from location symbolic names (e.g. home, office, transportation) and social activity (e.g. business meeting, with friends) to sensors' related information (e.g. temperature, brightness and whatever),
this work has been partially carried out within W3C UWA but just with respect to the delivery context,

the aim would be collecting use cases, generate requirements (e.g. functional, security etc) and collect the critical mass to propose/achieve:

1) a social context vocabulary
2) a definition of Web social context which would extend the web browsing context
3) the specification of APIs to get/set social contextual information
4) a (privacy) security model

We believe that contextual information will be more and more important in social networking (especially in mobility) and we'd like to prevent a massive market fragmentation,


-----Original Message-----
From: public-social-web-talk-request@w3.org [mailto:public-social-web-talk-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Harry Halpin
Sent: venerdì 27 febbraio 2009 9.54
To: Renato Iannella
Cc: public-social-web-talk@w3.org
Subject: Re: Proposal: Keep Group Unified, Don't Divide into Taskforces

On Fri, 27 Feb 2009, Renato Iannella wrote:

> On 26 Feb 2009, at 19:57, Harry Halpin wrote:
>> I feel the proposed charter may be too large, due to having too many
>> deliverables (15 at my last count). A smaller charter with (5)
>> deliverables was written earlier.
> I agree with Harry, and I indicated so earlier [1] - from my current
> experiences in running an XG.
> This is not to say that what was has been proposed is not valuable, but taken
> in the context of a W3C Incubator Group, the current scope is significantly
> more than most W3C multi-year multi-working group Activities.
> Event the smaller charter [2] can be modified to include the core outputs:
> 1 - Use Case/Requirements
> 2 - State-of-the-Art Report (best practices)
> 3 - Final Report (next steps)
> I also strongly believe that the Policy/Privacy/Trust work simply be moved to
> the W3C PLING Interest Group (as argued in [1]) as the evaluation of the XG
> Charter [3] stipulates:

Note that I concur here, as PLING has extensive experience in this area.
Another option is that PLING could write it in joint with the Social Web
XG, if there are experts that are part of Social Web XG but not PLING.
However, it might be simpler just to have those experts joing PLING.

Second, we do have a few mobile phone people involved. In the smaller
proposed charter [2] it might be feasible to add a report that focuses
specifically on the future of *mobile* social networking. Although I
strongly believe in one Web that steps across mobile and non-mobile
boundaries, a report that details the advantages of mobile networking,
accessibility, and how the W3C can co-ordinate future work in this area
could be useful. However, in the second, larger proposed charter [2],
there "contextual data" and "user experience" volunteers are missing, and
the charter is basically empty. Perhaps there is a lack of interest from
the mobile community, despite their heavy presence at the workshop? If
not, now would be a good time to speak up.

[1] http://esw.w3.org/topic/SocialWebXGCharter
[2] http://esw.w3.org/topic/UnifiedSocialXG

> "It is desirable to take ideas related to specific technology solutions that
> are already being worked on elsewhere (within or outside of the W3C) back to
> the place in which the work is taking place"
> I suspect this will be a major discussion point at the teleconference next
> week.
> Cheers...  Renato Iannella
> [1]
> <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-social-web-talk/2009Feb/0046.html>
> [2] <http://esw.w3.org/topic/SocialWebXGCharter>
> [3] <http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/about.html#Scope>


        Harry Halpin
        Informatics, University of Edinburgh

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