W3C

SML WG Conf Call

3 Jan 2008

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Attendees

Present
johnarwe, Kirk, ginny, MSM, Pratul, Kumar, Jordan
Regrets
Sandy, Valentina, Zulah, James, Philippe, Paul
Chair
john
Scribe
Kumar

Contents


approval of minutes

john: does anyone have any objection to the minutes?

kumar: Kumar's explanation that addressed msm's concerns about 5063 is not in the 12/13 minutes.

john: kumar, can you send the missing text to Kirk so that he can update the minutes accordingly.

kirk: yes

<johnarwe> kirk will re-issue 12/13 minutes

<Kirk> Kirk: Notes of 12-06 seem to imply that Bugzilla issue will be entered after text of the EPR Note is available

<Kirk> ...resolution: Kirk to enter Bugzilla issue for the EPR Note

<Kirk> ACTION: Kirk to open Bugzilla issue for the EPR Note [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/03-sml-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-155 - Open Bugzilla issue for the EPR Note [on Kirk Wilson - due 2008-01-10].

resolution: minutes from 12/3, 12/6 & 12/10 are approved.

<Kirk> ACTION: Kirk will reissue notes of the 13th with clarification of Pratul's comment on issue 5063 and explanation of proposal from Kumar. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/03-sml-minutes.html#action02]

<trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-156 - Will reissue notes of the 13th with clarification of Pratul's comment on issue 5063 and explanation of proposal from Kumar. [on Kirk Wilson - due 2008-01-10].

meeting schedule

john: please register for Jan f2f
... monday meeting to be discontinued effective 1/3/2008. they may be restarted if we feel the need.

review action items

john: msm, you were going to create a component in bugzilla for the EPR note.

msm: was confused. thought it was 'comment' not 'component'.
... will create a component today.

Review bugs with no keywords or target

no such bugs

Review and attempt to reach consensus on other non-editorial "hasProposal" bugs.

<MSM> [OK, component "EPR Refernece Scheme" has now been created. Kirk, I have made you the default Assignee for issues against that component.]

bug# 5303

john: any objection to marking 5303 as fixed?
... no objection heard. please mark it has closed.

bug# 4992

john: Sandy may see a problem with the current text.

ginny: let us postpone reviewing this till Sandy has had a chance to look at it.

msm: we should perhaps contact the WG responsible for the infoset spec about this problem.
... the problem: we want to formulate a rule in our spec about target equality. we want to be able to compare two elements for equality. As sandy points out in his comment, there is nothing in the infoset to allow this.
... it will help us if the infoset allowed us to make this distinction.

kirk: we seemm to require "An assertion that states whether or not the scheme uses target-complete URIs.", however the URI scheme does not define this.

ginny: I will fix this.

bug# 5063/5064

msm: it will be easier to review this if we have a revision to comment# 6 to include Sandy's suggestions in comment# 7
... acyclic is associated with a type definition. in earlier spec, a ref was a ref only if it was derived from refType.
... currently being a ref is no longer associated with being derived from any specific type.

kumar: acyclic is associated with a type and not an element because we want to prevent cycles being formed by refs of type T or any type derived from T.

msm: believes that specifying target* constraint on elements and the corresponding property being attached to the containing complext type def may be confusing.

kumar: I will work with msm to get his input into clarifying this. This will help avoid the confusion.

kirk: 7.a refered to the proposal (in comment# 6) should really be 6.a

kumar: i agree.

msm: we have a contradiction. acyclic applies to a type but target* apply to elements.

pratul: there were scenarios that required acyclic to be defined on type which prompted this design decision.

kumar: msm are you proposing that all sml constraints be attached to types (rather than some to types and some to elements)?

msm: I am not proposing anything at this point. I will work on some examples.

pratul:do you have an eta for the examples?.

msm:I will have them ready by the next conf call.

kumar: msm raised one issue that specifying target* constraints on elements but attaching the corresponding property to containing type can be confusing. I will work on this with msm and with anyone else who is interested. Is there any other issue that others would like to raise?
... does anyone know what zulah's objections were?

john: I believe she thought this should be handled by the xml schema processor.

kumar: I had discussed this with her in private email and pointed out that the xml schema processor does not understand any SML constraint, therefore it will not help us.

bug# 4675

john: did anyone read Sandy's proposal? any comments?
... we should publish working draft if possible.

msm: I agree.

kumar: the editors will create such a draft.

ginny: yes, i agree.

<Kirk> I lost my phone connection, but I'm OK with the proposal

john: proposal: publish the current editors' draft as a public draft by next Thu?
... no objections heard.

kumar:WG approved the publication of the third draft.

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: Kirk to open Bugzilla issue for the EPR Note [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/03-sml-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: Kirk will reissue notes of the 13th with clarification of Pratul's comment on issue 5063 and explanation of proposal from Kumar. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/03-sml-minutes.html#action02]
 
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Updated Scribe List

Last Scribe Date  Member Name               Regrets pending 
2007-08-30        Lipton, Paul              until mid-January 2007 
2007-11-15        Lynn, James                             12/24, 12/27, 12/31 
2007-11-19        Valentina Popescu                       12/24, 12/27, 12/31 
2007-11-26        Boucher, Jordan                         12/24, 12/27, 12/31 
2007-11-29        Gao, Sandy                12/17, 12/20, 12/24, 12/27, 12/31, 01/03 
2007-12-06        Eckert, Zulah             12/17, 12/20, 12/24, 12/27, 12/31, 01/03 
2007-12-10        Smith, Virginia           12/17,        12/24, 12/27, 12/31 
2007-12-13        Wilson, Kirk                            12/24, 12/27 
2008-01-03        Kumar, Pandit             12/17, 12/20 
Exempt            Arwe, John                12/17, 12/20, 12/24, 12/27, 12/31 
Exempt            Dublish, Pratul 
Exempt            MSM 
Exempt            PH 
  
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