W3C

SML WG Teleconf

25 Oct 2007

See also: IRC log

Attendees

Present
Ginny, Jim, John, Jordan, Kumar, MSM, Pratul, Sandy, Valentina, Zulah
Regrets
Bassam, Kirk, Marv, Paul, Philippe, Vijay
Chair
John and Pratul
Scribe
Jordan

Contents


 

 

<scribe> Scribe: Jordan Boucher

<scribe> ScribeNick: Jordan

Roll call

marv is absent

paul is absent

kirk sent regrets

Approve minutes from previous meetings

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sml/2007Oct/att-0168/20071011-sml-minutes.html

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sml/2007Oct/att-0114/f2f_10162007_minutes.html

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sml/2007Oct/att-0159/20071017-sml-minutes.html

10/15 handled next week

Resolution: 10/11, 10/16, 10/17 approved

Upcoming meetings

johnarwe: who prefers M-W?

Ginny, Pratul and Kumar prefer M-W

johnarwe: who prefers W-F?

no one prefers W-F

March meeting, same questions

who is unable to make beginning?

no one

who prefers M-W (March 31 - April 2)

Kumar, Marv prefer M-W

who prefers W-F (April 2 - 4)?

Zulah may have a conflict the entire week

Talk about LC date

Pratul: John and I have discussed topic, we propose Nov. 19

3 weeks from now

Ginny: sounds pretty aggressive

<MSM> Is it usefully aggressive or unrealistic?

Nov 19 is SML WG deliver to webmaster

John: does webmaster process requests the week of Thanksgiving?

MSM: there is a publication moratorium 3-11 November, and another 21 December to 1 January

<MSM> [But Thanksgiving and the day after are indeed MIT holidays and the Webmaster will be off those days]

<MSM> 19 December is the deadline for formal publication requests -- when I spoke, I did in fact say 19th, since 19th at noon would be our deadline for getting the document to the Webmaster

Ginny: comfortable with end of Nov, say the 30th

Kumar: proposes keep the 19th, have 2 calls per week to resolve issues

Ginny: we are working aggressively now

Sandy: agrees with Ginny, more calls may not increase velocity

Zulah: raised concern about quorum - only able to make 1 per week

John: asked the group who is able to make 2 calls per week

MSM: cannot, due to travel plans

Valentina: Mon, Tue only, full Wed-Fri

Sandy: Mon, Wed are busy

Pratul: suggest an additional 1 hour call may be sufficient

John: will send around a spreadsheet for schedules
... over achieving is allowed! ;-)

Resolution: set LC target date for Nov 30

XML Schema 1.1 comments

John: does anyone object to making listed comments official?

Resolution: john to make it so

Review bugs with no keywords or target

5025

agreement to do what Sandy proposed

5064

agreement to resolve as Pratul suggests, marking editorial

5069

John: believes editorial (discussion begins ...)

what is the relationship of a reference and a scheme?

agreement to hand the issue to the editors, marking editorial, requires proposal

5106

kirk and john are discussing - mark editorial

5134

<johnarwe> sandy: 5134 is a dup of 4746?

Sandy: suggests mark dup of 4746

John: no objections, mark dup

5169

discussed at F2F, dependent on 5112, mark editorial

Valentina: proposal is define rule binding in SML

MSM: notes in passing that the editors will want to be careful to avoid confusion between (1) the problem of binding an instance to zero or more rule documents, and (2) the problem of knowing which rule(s) in the rule document(s) apply to ('are bound to'?) which elements and attributes in the instance document. The term 'rule binding' suggests the latter to at least some readers (e.g. me).

(John to capture proposal in the bug for editors)

<johnarwe> 2007-10-25 realized I failed to update properly on 10/11.

<johnarwe> Making this editorial per 10/25 wg consensus.

<johnarwe> Proposal is to:

<johnarwe> Review both specs to ensure the terminology defined via bug 5112 is used consistently.

<pratul> Re MSM's Comment (2) - this is taken care of by the sch:rule/@context

Kumar: proposed updating 5112 with this info, closing 5169 as dup

John: updated 5112 and 5169 properly

5178

discussion about concern with floor of XPath version and interop

MSM: suggests pointing out the implications of interop wrt. versions

Kumar: applies generally to floor/ceiling issues, not just XPath

MSM: non-normative text explains the consequences of the normative floor/ceiling issues

mark editorial, resolve as proposed above, needs review

5215

John: (thinking out loud) perhaps normative refs are not necessary in SML-IF

Kumar: remove normative refs that are not actually used within a spec

fix is as Kumar suggested - remove unused normative refs from SML-IF

John: applies to both specs

Discussion about what needs to be present in SML-IF wrt. floor/ceiling

Sandy: proposes adding XML Schema 1.0 required and may support later versions

mark editorial and note about resolution

Pratul: read text he entered into bug for the above 3 part proposal

5040

<johnarwe> 5118

John: reopened for some text changes

mark editorial, make the simple fix

<johnarwe> back to 5040

Discussion about ternary logic - Satisfied, Violated, Unknown

Pratul: Unknown implies Violated

move discussion of 5040 to email

Updated Scribe List

Last Scribe Date  Member Name               Regrets pending 
200y-mm-dd        Vijay Tewari 
2007-08-30        Wilson, Kirk 
2007-08-30        Lipton, Paul 
2007-09-20        Lynn, James 
2007-09-27        Gao, Sandy 
2007-10-04        Smith, Virginia           
2007-10-15        Waschke, Marvin 
2007-10-16        Valentina Popescu 
2007-10-17        Eckert, Zulah 
2007-10-17        Kumar, Pandit 
2007-10-25        Boucher, Jordan 
2007-06-12        Tabbara, Bassam           Until 10/30/07 
Exempt            Arwe, John 
Exempt            Dublish, Pratul 
Exempt            MSM 
Exempt            PH 

Summary of Action Items

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