W3C

W3C SML Teleconference of 2007-11-29

29 Nov 2007

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Attendees

Present
MSM, Sandy, Kirk, Ginny, Jordan, Pratul, Valentina, John, Kumar, Zulah
Chair
John Arwe
Scribe
Sandy Gao

Contents


Approval of minutes from previous meeting

RESOLUTION: approve meeting minutes from 11/26 at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sml/2007Nov/0301.html.

Upcoming meetings

John: Jan. 08 local arrangement page not available yet.
... SML needs to decide whether we want to attend Tue. activity.

RESOLUTION: WG believes we have enough meeting time even if we finish early on Tue. and attend the activity.

Action items

139: reassigned to Kumar

153: reassigned to Ginny

Review bugs with no keywords or target

5283 "interchange set" or "interchange model"

RESOLUTION: postpone. set target milestone to "CR".

fragments bug(s)

RESOLUTION: WG approves changes suggested in comment #8 of bug 4656. Change 4656 to "resolved+fixed".

RESOLUTION: WONTFIX for 4657.

RESOLUTION: WONTFIX for 5133.

"data" bugs

RESOLUTION: WG approves changes suggested in comment #5 of bug 5272. Change 5272 to "resolved+fixed".

"schema" bugs

MSM: suggest to change "may not be able" to "may be unable", because "may not" could be read as "must not".

RESOLUTION: WG approves changes suggested in comment #2 of bug 5178, with MSM's above amendment. Change 5178 to "resolved+fixed".

SG: About the question raised in comment #5 of bug 4770, suggest to add back the attribute wildcard to "dataType".

RESOLUTION: accept proposal in comment #4 and #5 of 4770, as well as the change suggested above to add back the attribute wildcard to "dataType".

Ginny: the proposal in comment #6 of bug 4774, why ignore schemaLocation on imports?

Sandy: schema allows different behaviors regarding <import> handling. here we try to prescribe a deterministic approach for assembling schemas.

MSM: why make <schemaBindings> optional?

Ginny: and what impact does it have to inter-op?

John: A compromise to help existing implementations.

Ginny: what problems did <schemaBindings> try to solve?

John: multiple versions, chameleon includes, schema document exchange etc.
... for most cases, workaround is available.

MSM: a little uneasy about <schemaBindings> being optional.

RESOLUTION: accept proposal in comment #6 of bug 4774.

EPR bugs

Zulah: question about the EPR proposal. don't understand why we need EPR in addition to URI scheme.

Kirk: Valentina sent out use cases earlier. linked from comment #1 in bug 4637.

Ginny: for guaranteed inter-op, SML URI scheme should be used.

We will defer this bug till the call next Monday. Zulah will study Kirk's proposal and Valentina's use cases and post her comments before then.

Pratul: do other people have comments on the EPR proposal?

Ginny: also wondering whether we need to include EPR in our spec. So only include URI schema.

Zulah: I share Ginny's concern.

Kirk: Certain EPR can provide inter-op.

Ginny: level 1 and level 2 in IF affects inter-op.

John: level 2 allows cross-vendor inter-op; level 1 allows intra-vendor interchange without having to always use the URI scheme.

Pratul: level 1 and 2 apply to documents, not producer/consumers.

Will put this on the agenda for next Monday.

identity constraint bugs

RESOLUTION: WG approves changes suggested in comment #4 of bug 5024. Change 5024 to "resolved+fixed".

Ginny: about 4995, trying to see whether the "ref" attribute can be used to reduce the need to duplicate keys. if so, may be able to live with "scope".

Kumar: "scope" is a big implementation burden. can be added in a later version, which is not a breaking change.
... and it can be worked around in most cases by using existing mechanisms.

Ginny: not completely satisfied, but can live with not having "scope".

RESOLUTION: won't fix for 4995.

DTD handling 4687

RESOLUTION: accept proposal in comments #6, #7, and the amendment in #9, of 4687.

Editors should make sure the amendment in comment #9 is clearly specified in the wording.

localization bugs

RESOLUTION: accept proposal in comments #2 of 4772.

cycle bugs

RESOLUTION: accept proposal in comments #15 of 4639.

John: suggest to make 5108 dependent on 4793.
... and mark 5108 as editorial.

RESOLUTION: make 5108 editorial and depend on 4793.

5181 xml base

Kumar: when for bullet 3.d, when the primary alias is absolute, then the IF baseURI is ignored.

Sandy: would help to have a conceptual alias, which is always absolute. if the syntax to specify an alias is relative, then it is absolutized using the IF-wide baseURI.
... then whenever we talk about "alias", it's always absolute.

MSM: maybe we can specify that xml:base can only appear once in SML-IF document, then we don't need to invent our own baseURI element.

RESOLUTION: accept proposal in comment #4 of 5181, as clarified above.

Summary of Action Items

[End of minutes]

Updated Scribe List

Last Scribe Date  Member Name               Regrets pending 
2007-08-30        Lipton, Paul              until mid-December 2007 
2007-10-15        Waschke, Marvin 
2007-10-17        Eckert, Zulah 
2007-10-17        Kumar, Pandit 
2007-11-08        Smith, Virginia 
2007-11-12        Wilson, Kirk 
2007-11-15        Lynn, James 
2007-11-19        Valentina Popescu 
2007-11-26        Boucher, Jordan 
2007-11-29        Gao, Sandy 
Exempt            Arwe, John 
Exempt            Dublish, Pratul 
Exempt            MSM 
Exempt            PH 
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