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<Bassam> ACTION: Michael to open a bugzilla item on adding a conformance section to the spec. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-39 - Open a bugzilla item on adding a conformance section to t he spec. [on Michael Sperberg-McQueen - due 2007-06-20].
<Bass am> ACTION: Michael to open an bugzilla it em to consider "element level granualrity" for acyclic. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot-ng> Created ACTION- 40 - Open an bugzilla item to consider \"element level granualrity\" for acyclic. [on Michael Sperberg-McQueen - due 2007-06-20].
<Ba ssam> ACTION: Bassam to remove the sentenc e "If sml:acyclic=false is specified for R, then R is a cyclic reference type" from 3.4.1 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-m inutes.html#action03]
<trackbot- ng> Created ACTION-41 - Remove the sentence \"If sml:acycli c=false is specified for R, then R is a cyclic reference type\" fro m 3.4.1 [on Bassam Tabbara - due 2007-06-20].
<Bassam> ACTION: Bassam to update 3.4.2.2 so that its not enforce on empty or null reference elements [recorded in < a href= "http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-minutes.html#action04">ht tp://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-minutes.html#action04]
<trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-42 - Upd ate 3.4.2.2 so that its not enforce on empty or null reference elemen ts [on Bassam Tabbara - due 2007-06-20].
<Bassam> ACTION: Bassam to fix formatting in first senten ce of 3.4.2.3 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-minutes.html#act ion05]
<trackbot-ng> C reated ACTION-43 - Fix formatting in first sentence of 3.4.2.3 [on Bassam Tabbara - due 2007-06-20].
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<Bassam> rssagent, generate minutes
&l t;plh> scribe: ginny
Kirk: quest ions why key, keyref restrictions in xsd are not present in sml
Pratul: intent was to abide by the xsd constraints for key, keyref
< ;scribe> ACTION: Bassam reword 3rd s entence to refer to the appropriate section in the xsd spec [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-minutes.html#action06]
<trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-44 - Reword 3rd sentence to refer to the appropriate section in the xsd spec [on Bassam Tabbara - due 2007-06-20].
Action - 44
Action- 44
<s cribe> ACTION: Sandy enter a bugzilla issu e to track if the ref attribute of an SML identity constraint can ref er to an XML Schema constraint [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/ 13-sml-minutes.html#action07]
<t rackbot-ng> Created ACTION-45 - Enter a bugzilla issue to t rack if the ref attribute of an SML identity constraint can refer to an XML Schema constraint [on Sandy Gao - due 2007-06-20].
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<tr ackbot-ng> Created ACTION-46 - Think about making wording o f bullet point 3 (if an SML identity constraint is specified for an e lement dec. E, then this constraint is applicable...) to be more cris p about the scope [on Bassam Tabbara - due 2007-06-20].
< scribe> ACTION: Bassam for bullet points 4 ,5 (...XPath expression must conform to...) we should remove the BNF and refer to the Schema spec section instead and add that the xpath expression can also include the deref() function [recorded in h ttp://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-minutes.html#action09]
<trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-47 - Fo r bullet points 4,5 (...XPath expression must conform to...) we shoul d remove the BNF and refer to the Schema spec section instead and add that the xpath expression can also include the deref() function [on Bassam Tabbara - due 2007-06-20].
<scribe>
<trackbot-ng> Created
ACTION-48 - Open an issue to investigate substitution groups
for an
element E that has an identity contstraint. Does this
constraint app
ly to substitution groups? What does schema say?
[on Michael Sperberg
-McQueen - due 2007-06-20]. Pratul: 3.5.2 is not
normative Zu
lah: 3.5.1 to 3.5.3 are all
non-normative Sandy: why does SML limit
schematron constra
ints to globals <scribe>
ACTION: Michael to open an issue shematron
co
nstraints should be restricted to top level type definitions
and elem
ent declarations [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-minutes.html#
action11] <trackbot-ng>
; Created
ACTION-49 - Open an issue about whether shematron constrain
ts
should be restricted to top level type definitions and element
declarations [on Michael Sperberg-McQueen - due
2007-06-20]. <scribe>
ACTION: Sandy to open an issue ab
out
supporting namespace declarations on the BNF for deref()
fu
nction [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-minutes.html#action12] <trackbot-ng> Created
ACTION-50 - Open an issue about supporting namespace
declarati
ons on the BNF for deref() function [on Sandy Gao -
due 2007-06-20].<
/p>
Ginny: comments about 3.5.1 to
3.5.3 being non-normative will be included in the action item
to revise document to better organize the normative and
non-normative
information4
<trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-51 - Edit bullet point (A pattern MUST be evaluated for an instance by evaluation the rule elements...) to refer to the sche matron spec [on Bassam Tabbara - due 2007-06-20].
<scribe> ACTION: Bassam to more clearly denote the valida tor requirements since the entire paragraph is not optional. There is a required action within the paragraph (Localization of the natural language...) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-minutes.html#acti on14]
<trackbot-ng> Cr eated ACTION-52 - More clearly denote the validator requirements since the entire paragraph is not optional. There is a required act ion within the paragraph (Localization of the natural language...) [o n Bassam Tabbara - due 2007-06-20].
<scribe>
ACTION: Bassam correct typo "smlerr:output
attributes"
to "smlerr:localizationid attributes" [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/
2007/06/13-sml-minutes.html#action15]
< ;trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-53 - Correct typo \"smle rr:output attributes\" to \"smlerr:localizationid attributes\" [on Ba ssam Tabbara - due 2007-06-20].
<scribe> ACTION: Bassam to prepare list of places in the spec to con sider using "implementation defined" vs "implementation dependent" [r ecorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-minutes.html#action16]
<trackbot-ng> Created A CTION-54 - Prepare list of places in the spec to consider using \"imp lementation defined\" vs \"implementation dependent\" [on Bassam Tabb ara - due 2007-06-20].
MSM: "i mplementation defined" implies a MUST requirement to document the imp lementation of the feature on the implementer
Re solution: start early morning Aug 21 and finish noon on Aug 23 ; IBM hosts in Toronto (if rooms are available)
Re
solution: Use next week's
teleconference to traige SML spec is
sues and decide which ones
are required for 1st working draft; after
that proceed to
SML-IF spec
... including unresolved edit
or action items
<scribe> ACTION: Bassam look at sections in section 5 and see if we can make them more clear [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-minutes.html#action 17]
<trackbot-ng> Crea ted ACTION-55 - Look at sections in section 5 and see if we can make them more clear [on Bassam Tabbara - due 2007-06-20].
<scr ibe> ACTION: Vijay to enhance section 5.1 to clarify the nature of the application URI [recorded in http://www. w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-minutes.html#action18]
<trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-56 - Enhance sect ion 5.1 to clarify the nature of the application URI [on Vijay Tewari - due 2007-06-20].
Discussion on including other nodes like comments in the output from smlerr:output
scribe: refer to line in section
5.1 (If the node set contains namespace,...)
... This line is a
lso unclear
<scribe> ACTION: M ichael to open an issue for the expression= attribute (section 5.1) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-minutes.html#action19]
<trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-57 - Open an issue for the expression= attribute (section 5. 1) [on Michael Sperberg-McQueen - due 2007-06-20].
<scribe> ACTION: Bassam section 5.1.2 needs to be split into 2 sections. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-minute s.html#action20]
<trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-58 - Section 5.1.2 needs to be split into 2 s ections. [on Bassam Tabbara - due 2007-06-20].
<scribe> ACTION: Bassam should update the 1st senten ce of section 5.1.2 to state that the attribute must be used on an sch:report or sch:assert element. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06 /13-sml-minutes.html#action21]
< trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-59 - Should update the 1st sent ence of section 5.1.2 to state that the attribute must be used on an sch:report or sch:assert element. [on Bassam Tabbara - due 2007-06-20 ].
Pratul: section 5.1.3 is in tended to be normative
<scribe> ACTION : Bassam to edit sentence in section 5.1.3 (Element nodes ar e serialized...) to say "Element nodes are serialized into their XML ..." ; remove "document order" [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/ 13-sml-minutes.html#action22]
<t rackbot-ng> Created ACTION-60 - Edit sentence in section 5. 1.3 (Element nodes are serialized...) to say \"Element nodes are seri alized into their XML ...\" ; remove \"document order\" [on Bassam Ta bbara - due 2007-06-20].
john: section is incomplete
<scribe> ACTION: Virgini a to log an issue to revisit section 6 and decide on its content afte r the editors' pass on separating normative/non-normative content [re corded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-minutes.html#action23]< /p>
<trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-61 - Log an issue to revisit section 6 and decide on its con tent after the editors\' pass on separating normative/non-normative c ontent [on Virginia Smith - due 2007-06-20].
<scribe> ACTION: Bassam to clarify section 6.1 regardi ng Schematron phases [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-minutes.h tml#action24]
<trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-62 - Clarify section 6.1 regarding Schematron ph ases [on Bassam Tabbara - due 2007-06-20].
<zulah> scribe: Zulah
JA: the group will continue until 6PM. For people who leave the meeting earl y today, there will be an opportunity to comment on the spec at the n ext time we take up the issue of SML-IF..
General discus sion on the process of validation and the interoperability of validat ors
There is an open issue in the submissio n which will become an action item
Th is is open issue #5 in the SML-IF submission
There is agreement to skip the non-normative sections and move to the normative. Issues should be logged with Bugzilla
<
<trackbot-ng> Sorry, couldn't find user - MSM
<scribe> ACTION: Michael to open a bugzilla issue to dete rmine appropriate definitions for section 3.1 "consumer" such that a consumer is not required to validate a model when engaging in an exch ange. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-minutes.html#action26]
<trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-63 - Open a bugzilla issue to determine appropriate def initions for section 3.1 \"consumer\" such that a consumer is not req uired to validate a model when engaging in an exchange. [on Michael S perberg-McQueen - due 2007-06-20].
<scribe>
<trackbot- ng> Created ACTION-64 - Look through SML-IF for all qualifi cations of the word \"model\" and if they are anything other than \"v alid\" or \"invalid\" recast them. [on Bassam Tabbara - due 200 7-06-20].
<scribe> ACTION: Bassam to change "representing" to "that constitutes" in "The purpose of SML-IF is to package the set of documents representing an SML model ..." [r ecorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-minutes.html#action28]
<trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-65 - Change \"representing\" to \"that constitutes\" in \"T he purpose of SML-IF is to package the set of documents representing an SML model ...\" [on Bassam Tabbara - due 2007-06-20].
<scri be> ACTION: Bassam to remove the third sen tence of paragraph #1 ("The documents in the interchange set constitu te the SML model being interchanged.") [recorded in http://www.w3.org/ 2007/06/13-sml-minutes.html#action29]
< ;trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-66 - Remove the third se ntence of paragraph #1 (\"The documents in the interchange set consti tute the SML model being interchanged.\") [on Bassam Tabbara - due 20 07-06-20].
MSM: questions whet her it is necessary to stipulate UTF-8, UTF-16
pratul: Leaving encoding schemes open puts in terop at risk
MSM: if we think the interoperabiltiy of XML is insufficient, then it should be addressed by XML
JA: Two issu
es (1) UTF-8,16 as a
floor for SML-IF (2) since we have a requirement
for XML 1.0,
stating this would be redundant
... Everyon
e agrees with #1.
... MSM's proposal is to remove UTF-8, 16 as
floor encoding
requirements
San dy: your model needs to be encoded in a single encoding
<plh> "Although an XML pro cessor is required to read only entities in the UTF-8 and UTF-16 enco dings, it is recognized that other encodings are used around the worl d, and it may be desired for XML processors to read entities that use them."
plh: UTF 8 is an issue for Japanese character sets because (as an example) its use can greatly increase the size of a file
<
JA: ag ain, (1) do we need a floor constraint on encoding and (2) same quest ion about a ceiling
<scribe> ACTION: Pratul to log the floor issue in bugzilla [recorded in http:// www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-minutes.html#action30]
<trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-67 - Log the floor issue in bugzilla [on Pratul Dublish - due 2007-06-20].
< scribe> ACTION: MSM to log the ceiling iss ue in bugzilla (constraint on encoding) [recorded in http://www.w3.org /2007/06/13-sml-minutes.html#action31]
&l t;trackbot-ng> Sorry, couldn't find user - MSM
Sandy: schema does not say what a valid XML document is (RE: "...MUST be valid under the XML Schema ... ")
<scribe> ACTION: Sandy: will s upply words to replace "...MUST be valid under the XML Schema .." suc h that they will be consistent with current Schema terminology. [reco rded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-minutes.html#action32]
<trackbot-ng> Sorry, couldn' t find user - Sandy:
<scribe> ACTION: Sandy to will supply words to replace "...MUST be valid under the XML Schema .." such that they will be consistent with current Sc hema terminology. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-minute s.html#action33]
<trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-68 - Will supply words to replace \"...MUST b e valid under the XML Schema ..\" such that they will be consistent with current Schema terminology. [on Sandy Gao - due 2007-06-2 0].
<scribe> ACTION: Pratul to load o pen issues into bugzilla [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml -minutes.html#action34]
<trackbo t-ng> Created ACTION-69 - Load open issues into bugzilla [o n Pratul Dublish - due 2007-06-20].
<scribe>
&l t;jim> ACTION: bassam change sentenc e in 3.2 referring to Each document in the interchange set ... to "represented in SML-IF by a separate document element " [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-minutes.html#action36]
<trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-71 - change sentence in 3.2 referring to Each document in the interchange set ... to \"represented in SML-IF by a separate document element \" [on Bassam Tabbara - due 2007-06-20].
<jim>
<trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-72 - Log an issue considering whether the mention of \"octet stream\" in 3.2 is a ppropriate. [on Michael Sperberg-McQueen - due 2007-06-20].
<
<trackbot-n g> Created ACTION-73 - Open an issue considering whether th e removal of DTD mentioned in Item 1 under section 3.2 is problematic . [on Sandy Gao - due 2007-06-20].
<jim> ACTION: john Open an issue to add text in section 3. 2 to require that consumers and producers are required to implement a t a minimum the usr scheme. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13- sml-minutes.html#action39]
<trac kbot-ng> Created ACTION-74 - Open an issue to add text in s ection 3.2 to require that consumers and producers are required to im plement at a minimum the uri scheme. [on John Arwe - due 2007-06-20].
<pratul> rrsagent generat e minutes
<jim> acti on bassam To change "Each definition document in the interchange " in 3.2 to "Each model definition document"
<pratul> rrsagent generate minutes
<ginny> ACTION: bassam To change "Each definition document in the interchange " in 3.2 to "Each model definition document" [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-minutes.html#action 40]
<trackbot-ng> Crea ted ACTION-75 - Change \"Each definition document in the interc hange \" in 3.2 to \"Each model definition document\" [on Bassam Tabb ara - due 2007-06-20].
<jim> ACTION: john To open bugzilla issue to document why we did not use sm l:reftype in documentURI [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml -minutes.html#action41]
<trackbo t-ng> Created ACTION-76 - Open bugzilla issue to document w hy we did not use sml:reftype in documentURI [on John Arwe - due 2007-06-20].
<jim> ACTION: bassam T o reword the last sentence of 3.2 from "appears as a child of a docum ent element " to more clearly cover the cases where the child element is not in an embedded document [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06 /13-sml-minutes.html#action42]
< trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-77 - Reword the last sentence o f 3.2 from \"appears as a child of a document element \" to more clea rly cover the cases where the child element is not in an embedded doc ument [on Bassam Tabbara - due 2007-06-20].
<jim&g t; ACTION: michael To open an issue clarifying 3.3.1 regarding which part of the RFC defines URI equivalence. [reco rded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-minutes.html#action43]
<trackbot-ng> Created ACTI ON-78 - Open an issue clarifying 3.3.1 regarding which part of the RF C defines URI equivalence. [on Michael Sperberg-McQueen - due 2007-06 -20].
<jim> ACTION: sandy to c onsider the use of xml:base rather than the sml-defined base uri [rec orded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-minutes.html#action44]
<trackbot-ng> Created ACTI ON-79 - Consider the use of xml:base rather than the sml-defined base uri [on Sandy Gao - due 2007-06-20].
<jim>
<trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-80 - Append to 3.3.2 \"Consumers MUST NOT interpret wsa:addres s \" the phrase \"or any other schmes other than uri\" [on Bassam Tab bara - due 2007-06-20].
<jim> ACTION: john To open an issue to reword section 3.3.3 to correctly re flect what needs to be required of implementors or schemes other than uri. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-minutes.html#action46]
<trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-81 - Open an issue to reword section 3.3.3 to correctly reflect what needs to be required of implementors or schemes other t han uri. [on John Arwe - due 2007-06-21].
< ;ginny> /leave
<MSM< /cite>> Proposal: lose "Each member of the set of all alias URIs i n an SML-IF document MUST be unique."
<jim>
<trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-82 - Remove \"Each member of the set of all alias URIs in an SML-IF docum ent MUST be unique. \" from 3.3.4 [on Bassam Tabbara - due 2007-06-21 ].
<jim> ACTION: Phillipe Sugg est wording for 3.3.6 now reading "otherwise, if the URI representing ". [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-minutes.html#action48 ]
<trackbot-ng> Sorry, couldn't find user - Phillipe
<plh> ACT ION: Philippe to suggest wording for 3.3.6 now reading "othe rwise, if the URI representing". We should accept all kind of URI wit hout fragments. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-minutes.html#a ction49]
<trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-83 - Suggest wording for 3.3.6 now reading \"otherwis e, if the URI representing\". We should accept all kind of URI without fragments. [on Philippe Le Hégaret - due 2007-06 -21].
<jim> ACTION: bassam Swap the w ords only and contains in the first sentence of 3.3.6 [recorded in htt p://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-minutes.html#action50]
<trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-84 - Swap the words only and contains in the first sentence of 3.3.6 [on Bassa m Tabbara - due 2007-06-21].
<Sandy> Repla ce: If neither of these cases applies, the inter-document reference i s to a document not included in the interchange set. Such a reference is called ¡°an unresolved inter-document reference.& iexcl;±
<Sandy> Wit h: If neither of these cases applies, the reference is called ¡ °an unresolved inter-document reference.¡±
<
<trackbot-ng< /cite>> Created ACTION-85 - Remove the sentence \"By definition, u nresolved inter-document references are references to documents (or t o elements in documents) not included in the interchange.\" from 3.3.6 [on Bassam Tabbara - due 2007-06-21].
<jim> ACTION: bassam In 3.3.6, Replace: If neither of these cases applies, the inter-document reference is to a document not included in the interchange set. Such a reference is called &iex cl;°an unresolved inter-document reference.¡± [recor ded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-minutes.html#action52]
<trackbot-ng> Tracking ISSUEs and ACTIONs from http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/sml/
<jim> ACTION: bassam In 3.3.6, Replace: If neither of th ese cases applies, the inter-document reference is to a document not included in the interchange set. Such a reference is called ¡&d eg;an unresolved inter-document reference.¡± [recorded i n http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-minutes.html#action53]
< p class='irc'><trackbot-ng> Tracking ISSUEs and ACTIONs from http ://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/sml/<plh>
<plh> ACT ION: bassam In 3.3.6, Replace: If neither of these cases app lies, the inter-document reference is to a document not included in t he interchange set. Such a reference is called "an unresolved inter-d ocument reference." [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-sml-minu tes.html#action55]
<trackbot-ng< /cite>> Created ACTION-86 - In 3.3.6, Replace: If neither of these cases applies, the inter-document reference is to a document not included in the interchange set. Such a reference is called \"an u nresolved inter-document reference.\" [on Bassam Tabbara - due 2007-0 6-21].
<Sandy> question ab out section 3.4.1. prefix: "http://ab c/d" target: "http://abc/def/xyz< /a>". match?
<MSM> Conside r document URIs http://example.com/students/grad001.xml
<MSM> http://example.com/students/grad002.xml
<MSM> ...
< ;MSM> http://example.com/students/grad999.xml
<MSM> http://example.com/students/undergrad001.xml
<MSM> http://example.com/students/undergrad 002.xml
<MSM> http://example.com /students/undergrad999.xml
<jim2> AC TION: bassam Remove the sentence "Given a prefix and a set o f URIs, the matching set of the prefix is that subset of the URIs tha t match the prefix." from 3.4.1 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06 /13-sml-minutes.html#action56]
< trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-87 - Remove the sentence \"Give n a prefix and a set of URIs, the matching set of the prefix is that subset of the URIs that match the prefix.\" from 3.4.1 [on Bassam Tab bara - due 2007-06-21].
<MSM> Discussion of whether the prefix matching is really as simp le as it sounds. Is the intent that the prefix really ought to be an integral number of path steps?
<
<MSM> The example above, which allows prefixes http://example.com/students/grad and .../undergrad, w ould not work then. We decided (a) that it ought to work and (b) that that was the intent.