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Re: state of the art

From: Leo Sauermann <leo.sauermann@dfki.de>
Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2009 13:23:46 +0200
Message-ID: <4A4DEA42.7050402@dfki.de>
To: "Michael Lang(Jr.)" <michaelallenlang@gmail.com>
CC: Paola Di Maio <paoladimaio10@googlemail.com>, Tim rdf <timrdf@gmail.com>, Andreas Harth <andreas.harth@deri.org>, public-semweb-ui@w3.org
Hi,

you need to sign up to write there, but actually this process is also on 
ESW-wiki.
Last year, you also needed to sign up to read the content, but this is 
now open.
The content on ESW belongs to nobody, same with twine... hm.
so actually my "open/closed" argument does not hold.

anyway, I still like ESW wiki more than twine, as it is the place where 
such stuff "belongs to",
as all other stuff about the semantic web is also there, and has been 
there through the last
years.

but thats all theory and ramblings about the past - I have no time to 
commit on this now anyway, so you choose
and do as you find easier to do! (and thats probably twine)

best
Leo

It was Michael Lang(Jr.) who said at the right time 02.07.2009 16:16 the 
following words:
> Leo,
>
> Can you clarify what you mean by saying Twine is "closed"?  I have 
> trouble understanding how people in this community use the terms 
> "open" and "closed" with respect to tools.
>
> Mike Lang
>
> Revelytix, Inc.
>
> phone: 410-584-0009 (office)
>           443-928-3782 (cell)
> skype: michael.allen.lang.jr
> aim: MikeJrRevelytix
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 10:06 AM, Paola Di Maio 
> <paoladimaio10@googlemail.com <mailto:paoladimaio10@googlemail.com>> 
> wrote:
>
>     Thanks for keeping up the discussion
>
>     I agree that twine may not be 'open' and ideal, however basically
>     anyone can add things to twine, while the ESW I am not sure we can
>     all edit? (sorry if I am out of date on developments there).
>
>     Also, does anyone else thinks that the GUI of the page below could
>     be improved and wonder if that tells something :
>
>
>      http://esw.w3.org/topic/SemanticWebUsability
>
>
>     Also, ideally,  shouldnt we all be able to publish thing where we
>     favour, and then link them?
>
>     do we need an ontology of semantic web usability expressed in RDF?
>     or something?
>
>     I would like to link our workshop stuff papers, presentations etc)
>     from ASWC in Bangkok, too
>
>
>
>
>     On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 2:31 PM, Leo Sauermann
>     <leo.sauermann@dfki.de <mailto:leo.sauermann@dfki.de>> wrote:
>
>         Hi,
>
>         twine is closed, I would rather propose to use the ESW wiki by
>         W3C.
>
>         I can't contribute nor coordinate this the next months, I just
>         moved to vienna
>         and need to get internet and other things....
>
>         best
>         Leo
>
>         It was Tim rdf who said at the right time 27.06.2009 00:30 the
>         following words:
>>         Leo,
>>
>>         I am very much interested in the objectives you outline and
>>         would like to contribute. I will follow the additions to the
>>         wiki.
>>
>>         I created two Twines for Semantic Web Usability a while ago,
>>         but have not found anyone interested in the topic. Please
>>         feel free to tuck things there as well -- perhaps we could
>>         get some critical mass. Within a twine, we can comment on
>>         each artifact we post.
>>
>>         http://www.twine.com/twine/116nk1j23-c11/semantic-web-user-interfaces
>>
>>         http://www.twine.com/twine/116nlm5b5-c21/semantic-web-user-interaction
>>
>>         Regards,
>>         Tim Lebo
>>
>>
>>
>>             I like the idea of a collection of state-of-the-art, and
>>             will contribute, but only if I can edit myself and am
>>             sure that the state-of-the-art will be there the next
>>             years in public domain.
>>             The place where I am sure that it will remain open, and
>>             which is already the place where all other discussions
>>             about the Semantic Web happen, is the ESW wiki.
>>             I added a page here for you:
>>              http://esw.w3.org/topic/SemanticWebUsability
>>
>>
>>          
>>
>>
>>             Rather, take exsiting tools and compare them against the
>>             vision -
>>              can your grandma find a doctor in her neighbourhood that
>>             will accept her Health Insurance and treat her illness?
>>             (This was the guiding example of "The Semantic Web",
>>             2001, Timbl et al)
>>             so - can facetted browisng help?
>>             can xy help?
>>
>>             etc.
>>
>>             best
>>             Leo
>>
>>             I would also humbly suggest to look at the usability
>>             concerns that are addressed in KDE 4.0, which has an RDF
>>             based metadata layer.
>>             In our NEPOMUK project we are currently working on the
>>             biggest deployment of Semantic Web technology (especially
>>             RDF) ever, reaching half of all linux users... much
>>             usability to study there.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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Geschaeftsfuehrung:
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Dr. Walter Olthoff
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Prof. Dr. h.c. Hans A. Aukes
Amtsgericht Kaiserslautern, HRB 2313
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