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Re: Semantic Suggestions please ... for oilit journal

From: adasal <adam.saltiel@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 14:44:59 +0100
Message-ID: <e8aa138c0810030644l1a1d68vfca44d0a9dc3080@mail.gmail.com>
To: "Leo Sauermann" <leo.sauermann@dfki.de>
Cc: neil@oilit.com, public-semweb-ui@w3.org, semantic-web@w3.org
Hi,

> thats why I recommended to let this be done by people who have experience
> and can calculate the costs.
>

People with the skills are the right ones to approach for this.

>
> consulting companies. Hackes always underestimate the effort
>
Correct estimating can only come from familiarity and real knowledge of the
field. Even so there is always the tendency to underestimate the effort. It
is a funny thing. There is so much detail and no very good map of it, so you
forget when not engrossed. Perhaps your boss or manager knows better from
their own past (bitter?) experience though!

My situation is a bit different. I am trying to pursue ideas that I have
been thinking about for years as I have watched the field evolve.
I now find myself in a somewhat fortunate position. I am in a very big
company and in a small team that has to "prove" technology as the basis of
winning new business. This is good.
What is less good, but all a part of how this company works, is that while
early on there was a said to be much finding, this is not the case.
So I have to prove things basically myself in conjunction with a few other
colleagues.
We are looking at building one or more SOA prototypes to hone our skills and
educate sales.
On top of this I would like to place something like AutoFocus, but I need to
be able to get to grips with it myself. In fact I am on my own a bit as I am
known as the one interested in semantics, so no one else here really does.
Well I will see where I get to.

Maybe, down the road, it can be done on a much more professional basis
buying in the correct skills. I hope so.  But it is only a hope at the
moment.

Adam



2008/10/3 Leo Sauermann <leo.sauermann@dfki.de>

> Hi,
>
> Aduna is doing (together with L3S and DFKI) the LuceneSail which indexes
> RDF and fulltext:
> http://dev.nepomuk.semanticdesktop.org/wiki/LuceneSail
>
> of course, for the oilit case it is not just "plugging stuff together",
> if you know all the systems I mentioned, you know that you have to do a lot
> of costly and time-intensive glue-coding.
>
> thats why I recommended to let this be done by people who have experience
> and can calculate the costs.
> consulting companies. Hackes always underestimate the effort
>
> best
> Leo
>
> It was adasal who said at the right time 02.10.2008 18:43 the following
> words:
>
> Hi,
> Well Leo seems we are like minded on this.
> But question.
> Munging through various systems how does one understand the other? I
> didn't quite get this. Say Aduna set to consume some RDF where place
> names etc are annotated, so 1. the annotation is in RDF, I didn't know
> this and 2. Aduna will consume RDF rather than just producing it?
> I have tried to import RDF in different forms into Aduna with varying
> degrees of success, so it has to be set up correctly, for sure.
> Also Aduna also lodges a lucene index against collections of
> resources. Not sure how this plays out in this scenario. Import RDF
> and index as single operation?
>
> Adam
>
>
> On 02/10/2008, Leo Sauermann <leo.sauermann@dfki.de> <leo.sauermann@dfki.de> wrote:
>
>
> Looking at your question,
>
> .... people like computas.com, aduna-software.com, andwww.semantic-web.at do this as business for you,
> I add David, Jeroen, and Andreas (from these companies) into the mail,
> maybe they love your challenge for Oil-It and can offer you something :-)
>
> (friends, please forgive me for forwarding it to you, we just happened
> to meet last week and talked about similar projects ...)
>
> I think the first answer is:
>
> * munch it through Zemanta and get it annotatedwww.zemanta.comhttp://www.zemanta.com/demo/
> * second: munch it through reuters/calais and get the rest of the
> companies and placeshttp://www.opencalais.com/http://www.opencalais.com/about/contentManager
>
> Then you got annotated documents,
> which you could pipe into that one:http://www.aduna-software.com/technologies/autofocus_server/overview.view
> to get something like thishttp://www.aduna-software.com/images/screenshots/autofocus_server/autofocus_server2.png
>
> or thathttp://labs.punkt.at/http://poolparty.punkt.at/
> (a SKOS concept map with document search, may be down today)
>
> etc...
> as said, above companies will happily provide it for you, and there are
> many more who would....
>
> best
> Leo
>
>
> It was Neil McNaughton who said at the right time 30.09.2008 13:36 the
> following words:
>
>
> Dear Semantic Websters
>
> Our website Oil IT Journal www.oilit.com has about a million words of
> reporting on oil and gas IT. It is moderately well organized stuff, but
> there are a lot of 'unstructured' items (such as company names, people and
> products) that I imagine could usefully be tagged somehow for discovery
> and
> reuse. I was wondering if this could be achieved by something semantic?
>
> In the run in to the first Semantic Technology for Energy - Oil and Gas
> (http://www.w3.org/2008/07/ogws-cfp) I would like your suggestions on the
> above in order to see if there is a small (but hopefully killer)
> contribution that we could make to advance this technology.
>
> Regards
>
> Neil McNaughton
>
> Editor, Oil IT Journal (www.oilit.com)
>
> Technology Watch Service
> The Data Roomwww.oilit.com
>
>
>
>
>
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