RE: RDF Schema / LODD mapping -- Re: New proposal: health & medical extensions to schema.org

Although, if the patient dies, the person goes away as well, no?  ;-)

 

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Subject: RE: RDF Schema / LODD mapping -- Re: New proposal: health &
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I would say that if you follow ontoclean, being a patient is a non-rigid
property of a person.

 

Ronald

 

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From: Michel Dumontier [mailto:michel.dumontier@gmail.com] 
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Subject: Re: RDF Schema / LODD mapping -- Re: New proposal: health &
medical extensions to schema.org

 

If you follow ontoclean [1], then all you need to know is that if not
all people are patients, then patients is a subtype of people.

 

m.

 

[1]  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OntoClean 

On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 5:50 PM, Freimuth, Robert, Ph.D.
<Freimuth.Robert@mayo.edu> wrote:

> For instance, Physicians are not the same thing as Patients, but a
Patient can also be a Physician.

 

...and a physician can be a patient, both of which are roles that
entities can play.  IMO, this illustrates the importance of defining
roles and entities separately (rather than through inheritance from a
common parent).

 

Bob

 

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Subject: Re: RDF Schema / LODD mapping -- Re: New proposal: health &
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On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 9:44 AM, Aaron Brown <abbrown@google.com> wrote:

Ok. But I still don't see why this needs to be specified explicitly.
Otherwise, wouldn't it also be necessary to specify that a MedicalEntity
is disjoint from a Movie, a SocialEvent, a DryCleaningOrLaundry, etc? It
seems to get out of hand pretty quickly. For that matter, if someone
wanted to extend the proposed schema by defining a Physician type that
inherits from both Person and MedicalEntity, I think would be OK.

 

RDF and other semantic web standards allow for instances to have
multiple unrelated types. This is part of the Open World Assumption, and
is a good thing, since it allows us to discover classifications for
things later on. In order to create the same sort of single inheritance
that one sees in, for instance, Java, simply make each sibling under a
given class disjoint with all its other siblings. I would be reluctant
to do that blindly, though, as it can often result in modeling errors.
For instance, Physicians are not the same thing as Patients, but a
Patient can also be a Physician.

 

Jim

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