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Re: Cross Language with topic maps [was Re: 答复: KB note]

From: Huajun Chen @ Zhejiang University <@>
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 10:49:58 +0800
Message-ID: <cd02451e0805281949r156a945ei10f4c82a13f5f0a6@mail.gmail.com>
To: "eric neumann" <ekneumann@gmail.com>
Cc: "Jack Park" <jack.park@sri.com>, public-semweb-lifesci@w3.org, kc28@email.med.yale.edu, twclark@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu
In some cases, this approach works, but in perhaps more cases, it doesn't.

I don't think we need and could find out correspondence between all
concepts in Chinese medicine and Western medicine, as TCM has a
different concept framework for describing many things. I also do not
think we can figure out a universal, common ontology that can span
over these two language systems (It may still be doable to some
extend, but it would be very hard).

By cross-culture data integration, i do not mean cross-language
ontology translation (which is also an challenge, important, and
useful of course). Instead, it might be more essential and doable to
find out connection hubs or correlation points between them.  For
example, the disease description may serve as one such  type of
connection point. Another example is the chemical compound database
for herb.  We only do translation and mapping at the hub nodes, so
that a TCM researcher can explore relevant western medicine resource
(still in English), and a western medicine researcher can explore
relevant TCM resource (maybe still in Chinese if they can understand).

Best, huajun

On 5/29/08, eric neumann <ekneumann@gmail.com> wrote:
> Why not simply use to following trick on top of universal symbols?
>
> <umls:male
> rdfs:label="male" lang="en"
> rdfs:label="Mann" lang="ge"
> rdfs:label="mâle" lang="fr"
> rdfs:label="男性" lang="zh-Hans"
> ...
> >
>
> Eric
> 2008/5/28 Jack Park <jack.park@sri.com>:
>
> >
> > In cross-language data integration, it may be a simple matter of using a
> > multitude of language-scoped labels in an ontology. Another approach
> > that has been mentioned on this list many moons back by the late Bill
> > Bugg was that of applying topic maps to the federation of heterogeneous
> > resources, including disparate ontologies that don't easily merge, and
> > data sets. Bill was referring to some of my work. Topic maps provide the
> > ability to apply as many different names to some entity as necessary for
> > all participants to successfully locate what they seek. At the same
> > time, topic maps can federate each entity with external comments,
> > dialogues (such as this email message), bookmarks (tags) and
> > relationships with other entities.
> >
> > Jack
> >
> > Xiaoshu Wang wrote:
> > > Huajun Chen@Zhejiang University wrote:
> > >> Another challenge is cross-language data integration, which is actually
> a
> > >> job that ontology should do.
> > >>
> > > I honestly disagree. Ontology is about the semantics of *being* but that
> > > of symbols. It doesn't matter if how "gene" is called, named, or
> > > written. It symbolize the same objective entities. A URI such as
> > > http://www.example.com is not written in English. It is just a bunch of
> > > symbols. Let's not introduce linguistic issues into data integration,
> > > which already have a lot of issues.
> > >
> > > Xiaoshu Wang
> > >> Best wishes, huajun
> > >>
> > >> -----邮件原件-----
> > >> 发件人: public-semweb-lifesci-request@w3.org
> > >> [mailto:public-semweb-lifesci-request@w3.org] 代表
> Matthias Samwald
> > >> 发送时间: 2008年5月26日 21:22
> > >> 收件人: kc28@email.med.yale.edu; Tim Clark
> > >> 抄送: M. Scott Marshall; public-semweb-lifesci@w3.org
> > >> 主题: Re: KB note
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> Speaking of national boundaries, I wonder if alternative medicine
> (e.g.,
> > >>> herbal
> > >>> medicine) would also be of interest to this community. For example,
> > >>> Huperzine
> > >>> is a drug derived from the herb Huperzia serrata. I also wonder if
> there
> > >>> are
> > >>> hypotheses regarding the study of herbs in the possible treatment of
> > >>> neurological diseases.
> > >>>
> > >> I would also be very motivated to help in this kind of research.
> > >> Specifically, Huperzine A would be a very interesting use-case for our
> > >> developments. It is a herbal compound with a history in folk medicine
> and is
> > >>
> > >> available OTC in most countries, yet it rivals the effectiveness of
> > >> currently leading Alzheimer medications such as Tacrine. It also has a
> dual
> > >> mode of action that does not only involve acetylcholinesterase
> inhibition,
> > >> but also modulation of the NMDA receptor. The implications of this for
> the
> > >> treatment of Alzheimer's are still a rather hot topic.
> > >>
> > >> The integration of knowledge from traditional medicine, plant
> > >> taxonomy/phylogeny/biochemistry and receptor binding databases (PDSP Ki
> > >> database, IUPHAR) could lead to the identification of some extremely
> novel
> > >> therapeutic strategies. Finding candidate molecules in such a way might
> be
> > >> much more effective than weeding through libraries of compounds
> generated by
> > >>
> > >> combinatorial synthesis etc. The challenge lies in the integration of
> some
> > >> very heterogenous datasets that come from vastly different disciplines,
> > >> which is exactly the field of research where Semantic Web technologies
> are
> > >> most effective.
> > >>
> > >> I guess the major problem for this kind of research is that there are
> no
> > >> funding programmes that span China, the US and Asia...
> > >>
> > >> Cheers,
> > >> Matthias Samwald
> > >>
> > >> DERI Galway, Ireland // Semantic Web Company, Austria
> > >> http://www.deri.ie/
> > >> http://www.semantic-web.at/
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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