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Re: [BioRDF] All about the LSID URI/URN

From: Carole Goble <carole@cs.man.ac.uk>
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 10:15:35 +0100
Message-ID: <44CDCA37.5090004@cs.man.ac.uk>
To: Tim Clark <twclark@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu>
CC: w3c semweb hcls <public-semweb-lifesci@w3.org>, jbarkley@nist.gov, Alan Ruttenberg <alanruttenberg@gmail.com>, ht@inf.ed.ac.uk, noah_mendelsohn@us.ibm.com, William Bug <William.Bug@DrexelMed.edu>, connolly@w3.org, Sean Martin <sjmm@us.ibm.com>

Tim

well said -- I concur entirely

Carole

> I think Susie is performing a valuable service which we all respect 
> and which may help to advance the discussion.  HOWEVER...
>
> ...  I STRONGLY RECOMMEND that no-one consider the Bio-RDF call Monday 
> as anything else than a very preliminary discussion FOR INITIAL 
> EDUCATIONAL PURPOSES ONLY, which needs to be followed up by much more 
> in-depth and authoritative discussions on LSID and other identifier 
> schemes. 
>
> I am certain that Susie never intended the Monday call to be anything 
> else than that, i.e. a preliminary educational discussion.  
>
> I recommend that we in HCLS work, after the conclusion of ISMB, to 
> prepare a more inclusive and authoritative discussion on this topic, 
> with all the key players involved.  We ought to aim to leverage ALL 
> the good work people have done in this area, LSID in 
> particular.  Discussions on this topic that do not include - in a 
> well-organized way - some of the key contributors to the practice of 
> bioinformatics and semantic web,  have to be considered 
> non-authoritative and therefore not a basis for making important 
> decisions.
>
> Again, I am very sure Susie would share this opinion.  This is just a 
> caution to people around the W3C but from outside bioinformatics -- 
> who may not realize how much serious work on distributed identifiers 
> has been done by people who cannot participate in Monday's call -- and 
> whom we very much need to consult.  
>
> Best
>
> Tim
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Tim Clark
>
> Director of Research Programs
> Harvard University Initiative in Innovative Computing
> 60 Oxford Street, Cambridge, MA 02138
> http://iic.harvard.edu
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
> On SaturdayJul 29, 2006, at 9:25 AM, William Bug wrote:
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I would also give a strong DITTO to the leadership Susie is providing 
>> on this extremely important issue.  Getting clarification on the pros 
>> & cons is essential to catalyzing broader adoption of SWTech.
>>
>> I would also add I'm extremely grateful to ALL the experts who've 
>> been presenting clear arguments and information related to this 
>> issue.  It's all been extremely valuable.  Susie is working very hard 
>> to collate this information and provide this as a resource to the 
>> community.  As Alan mentioned, this will remain an ongoing and 
>> critical debate, and it will be of value to us all to help provide a 
>> clearing house for documentation related to to this issue on the 
>> BioRDF Wiki pages.
>>
>> The group of people listening in on this debate here on this list are 
>> a self-selected population of technically astute folks with 
>> implementation of SWTech on their minds - and probably on their 
>> immediate list of TODOs, if not already on their list of previous 
>> achievements.  Most will be very knowledgeable of the general 
>> technical issues and will be likely to dig into the details presented 
>> on both sides of the argument.   I have found all the details 
>> extremely illuminating - especially the thorough background and 
>> references provided by Sean and the specifics given regarding the 
>> debates the TAG has had on this issue.
>>
>> I think I can assure Carole no one here would be likely to take the 
>> achievements of those who've implemented LSID-based systems - and ARK 
>> and the others - lightly - or those who might, would be doing 
>> themselves and the communities they represent a great disservice.
>>
>> I look forward to Monday and the follow-up discussions both on the 
>> list, in future TCons, and on the HCLSIG-BioRDF Wiki.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Bill
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jul 29, 2006, at 8:09 AM, jbarkley@nistgov 
>> <mailto:jbarkley@nist.gov> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> (who very much appreciates Susie's efforts to
>>>> coordinate)
>>>
>>> Ditto on that!
>>>
>>> jb
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Quoting Alan Ruttenberg <alanruttenberg@gmail.com 
>>> <mailto:alanruttenberg@gmail.com>>:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Susie shouldn't take any blame for this - The meeting is
>>>> one in a 
>>>> series, is well announced, and would certainly have been
>>>> rescheduled 
>>>> if, like,  anyone with an interest had bothered to
>>>> request it with 
>>>> adequate advance notice.
>>>>
>>>> There's nothing particularly special about this meeting.
>>>> If others with 
>>>> interest in the subject want a further meeting to discuss
>>>> things then 
>>>> we should do that.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Alan
>>>>
>>>> (who very much appreciates Susie's efforts to
>>>> coordinate)
>>>>
>>>> On Jul 28, 2006, at 2:24 PM, Carole Goble wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> By the way I have already lodged an objection to Susie
>>>> that to have 
>>>>> such a telecon when many people who actually, like, use
>>>> the stuff for, 
>>>>> like, real are at ISMB2006 in Brazil and will not be
>>>> able to 
>>>>> participate. Like Doh!
>>>>>
>>>>> Carole
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Bill Bug
>> Senior Research Analyst/Ontological Engineer
>>
>> Laboratory for Bioimaging  & Anatomical Informatics
>> www.neuroterrain.org
>> Department of Neurobiology & Anatomy
>> Drexel University College of Medicine
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>> Philadelphia, PA    19129
>> 215 991 8430 (ph)
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>> 215 843 9367 (fax)
>>
>>
>> Please Note: I now have a new email - William.Bug@DrexelMed.edu 
>> <mailto:William.Bug@DrexelMed.edu>
>>
>>
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