- From: kc28 <kei.cheung@yale.edu>
- Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 12:18:22 -0400
- To: Tim Clark <twclark@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu>
- Cc: w3c semweb hcls <public-semweb-lifesci@w3.org>, jbarkley@nist.gov, Alan Ruttenberg <alanruttenberg@gmail.com>, Carole Goble <carole@cs.man.ac.uk>, ht@inf.ed.ac.uk, noah_mendelsohn@us.ibm.com, William Bug <William.Bug@DrexelMed.edu>, connolly@w3.org, Sean Martin <sjmm@us.ibm.com>
Hi All, I second Tim's suggestions. This is a really community effort to move this important SW component forward. Best, -Kei Tim Clark wrote: > Hi All, > > I think Susie is performing a valuable service which we all respect > and which may help to advance the discussion. HOWEVER... > > ... I STRONGLY RECOMMEND that no-one consider the Bio-RDF call Monday > as anything else than a very preliminary discussion FOR INITIAL > EDUCATIONAL PURPOSES ONLY, which needs to be followed up by much more > in-depth and authoritative discussions on LSID and other identifier > schemes. > > I am certain that Susie never intended the Monday call to be anything > else than that, i.e. a preliminary educational discussion. > > I recommend that we in HCLS work, after the conclusion of ISMB, to > prepare a more inclusive and authoritative discussion on this topic, > with all the key players involved. We ought to aim to leverage ALL > the good work people have done in this area, LSID in > particular. Discussions on this topic that do not include - in a > well-organized way - some of the key contributors to the practice of > bioinformatics and semantic web, have to be considered > non-authoritative and therefore not a basis for making important > decisions. > > Again, I am very sure Susie would share this opinion. This is just a > caution to people around the W3C but from outside bioinformatics -- > who may not realize how much serious work on distributed identifiers > has been done by people who cannot participate in Monday's call -- and > whom we very much need to consult. > > Best > > Tim > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Tim Clark > > Director of Research Programs > Harvard University Initiative in Innovative Computing > 60 Oxford Street, Cambridge, MA 02138 > http://iic.harvard.edu > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > On SaturdayJul 29, 2006, at 9:25 AM, William Bug wrote: > >> Hi All, >> >> I would also give a strong DITTO to the leadership Susie is providing >> on this extremely important issue. Getting clarification on the pros >> & cons is essential to catalyzing broader adoption of SWTech. >> >> I would also add I'm extremely grateful to ALL the experts who've >> been presenting clear arguments and information related to this >> issue. It's all been extremely valuable. Susie is working very hard >> to collate this information and provide this as a resource to the >> community. As Alan mentioned, this will remain an ongoing and >> critical debate, and it will be of value to us all to help provide a >> clearing house for documentation related to to this issue on the >> BioRDF Wiki pages. >> >> The group of people listening in on this debate here on this list are >> a self-selected population of technically astute folks with >> implementation of SWTech on their minds - and probably on their >> immediate list of TODOs, if not already on their list of previous >> achievements. Most will be very knowledgeable of the general >> technical issues and will be likely to dig into the details presented >> on both sides of the argument. I have found all the details >> extremely illuminating - especially the thorough background and >> references provided by Sean and the specifics given regarding the >> debates the TAG has had on this issue. >> >> I think I can assure Carole no one here would be likely to take the >> achievements of those who've implemented LSID-based systems - and ARK >> and the others - lightly - or those who might, would be doing >> themselves and the communities they represent a great disservice. >> >> I look forward to Monday and the follow-up discussions both on the >> list, in future TCons, and on the HCLSIG-BioRDF Wiki. >> >> Cheers, >> Bill >> >> >> >> On Jul 29, 2006, at 8:09 AM, jbarkley@nistgov >> <mailto:jbarkley@nist.gov> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>>> (who very much appreciates Susie's efforts to >>>> coordinate) >>> >>> >>> Ditto on that! >>> >>> jb >>> >>> >>> >>> Quoting Alan Ruttenberg <alanruttenberg@gmail.com >>> <mailto:alanruttenberg@gmail.com>>: >>> >>>> >>>> Susie shouldn't take any blame for this - The meeting is >>>> one in a >>>> series, is well announced, and would certainly have been >>>> rescheduled >>>> if, like, anyone with an interest had bothered to >>>> request it with >>>> adequate advance notice. >>>> >>>> There's nothing particularly special about this meeting. >>>> If others with >>>> interest in the subject want a further meeting to discuss >>>> things then >>>> we should do that. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Alan >>>> >>>> (who very much appreciates Susie's efforts to >>>> coordinate) >>>> >>>> On Jul 28, 2006, at 2:24 PM, Carole Goble wrote: >>>> >>>>> By the way I have already lodged an objection to Susie >>>> >>>> that to have >>>> >>>>> such a telecon when many people who actually, like, use >>>> >>>> the stuff for, >>>> >>>>> like, real are at ISMB2006 in Brazil and will not be >>>> >>>> able to >>>> >>>>> participate. Like Doh! >>>>> >>>>> Carole >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> Bill Bug >> Senior Research Analyst/Ontological Engineer >> >> Laboratory for Bioimaging & Anatomical Informatics >> www.neuroterrain.org >> Department of Neurobiology & Anatomy >> Drexel University College of Medicine >> 2900 Queen Lane >> Philadelphia, PA 19129 >> 215 991 8430 (ph) >> 610 457 0443 (mobile) >> 215 843 9367 (fax) >> >> >> Please Note: I now have a new email - William.Bug@DrexelMed.edu >> <mailto:William.Bug@DrexelMed.edu> >> >> >> >> >>This email and any accompanying attachments are confidential. >>This information is intended solely for the use of the individual >>to whom it is addressed. Any review, disclosure, copying, >>distribution, or use of this email communication by others is strictly >>prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient please notify us >>immediately by returning this message to the sender and delete >>all copies. Thank you for your cooperation. >> >
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