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Fwd: HL7 and patient records in RDF/OWL?

From: John Madden <john.madden@duke.edu>
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 03:41:33 -0500
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To: public-semweb-lifesci@w3.org

Daniel,

I spoke with Mark Musen about this project at the F2F, and we  
(SNOMED) would be eager to work collaboratively with NCBO on this as  
a demo. I'm coming out to the Protege short course next month (funded  
by SNOMED) and I'll have some material for you by then.

(a) I think is to a large extent a "just-do-it" question, and we  
definitely want to "do it". The interesting part to me is the follow- 
up project of showing how OWL fragments built separately in this way  
can be related to a more global ontology that may not be quite so  
rigorously formal; that's (b).

For me, in many ways the hardest part is (c), a standard way of  
encapsulating RDF-family markup in xml-schema dependent document  
formats. (I know this takes us afield from "ontologies" per se.  
Personally, I'd like to see GRDDL applied to these formats, but,  
we've got to be realistic that clinical medical documents today are  
almost never natively html, and GRDDL is/was rather html-focused.  
Also, you might argue that these formats do not assume web  
connectivity so it is insufficient to merely point to an extraction  
transform somewhere out on the web, when that might not be  
accessible; I'm not sure whether that really matters.)

I've spoken with the OpenDocument group about an RDF embedding  
standard and they're thinking about it but haven't come to any firm  
proposal. I also asked Norm Walsh about it a few months ago and he  
had it on his issue list for DocBook, but again I'm not yet aware of  
a definitive solution. For HL7-CDA, things are hazy right now.

Daniel, I'd be interested in talking over details with you when I'm  
out in Stanford.

John
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> On Feb 9, 2006, at 10:08 PM, Daniel Rubin wrote:
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>> This sounds intriguing. Do you have any owl ontologies you can share?
>> Daniel
>>
>> At 08:36 PM 2/8/2006, John Madden wrote:
>>> Dan,
>>>
>>> This is also a big interest of mine.
>>>
>>> I'm co-chairing the HL7 Anatomic Pathology SIG (and I'm in HCLS  
>>> courtesy SNOMED). With SNOMED's support, I'm embarking on OWL- 
>>> izing a subset of pathology content to (a) support some  
>>> circumscribed inferencing on pathology report content (b)  
>>> demonstrate SKOS mappings to legacy SNOMED and (c) investigate  
>>> OWL embedding in pervasive (non-xhtml) medical document formats  
>>> (HL7-CDA, but maybe also OpenDocument, DocBook).
>>>
>>> Many issues. I'd love to discuss, whenever.
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Feb 8, 2006, at 10:37 AM,  
>>> <mailto:helen.chen@agfa.com>helen.chen@agfa.com wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi, Dan
>>>>
>>>> It is an area of my interest too.
>>>>
>>>> You can check out the previous work on a RIM owl model: <http:// 
>>>> www.ics.mq.edu.au/~borgun/RIM-HL7All.zip>http:// 
>>>> www.ics.mq.edu.au/~borgun/RIM-HL7All.zip
>>>>
>>>> If you use N3 to write your ontology, you can also get a N3  
>>>> version here <http://www.agfa.com/w3c/hl7/rim/rim.n3>http:// 
>>>> www.agfa.com/w3c/hl7/rim/rim.n3
>>>>
>>>> We have a graduate student currently looking into this model and  
>>>> see how it can be used in real EPR .
>>>>
>>>> Do you have any sepecific task/charter in mind?
>>>>
>>>> Regards.
>>>>
>>>> Helen
>>>>
>>>> <http://www.agfa.com/w3c/hchen>http://www.agfa.com/w3c/hchen
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dan Brickley <<mailto:danbri@danbri.org>danbri@danbri.org>
>>>> Sent by: <mailto:public-semweb-lifesci-request@w3.org>public- 
>>>> semweb-lifesci-request@w3.org
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>>>> 02/08/2006 10:09 AM
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>>>> HL7 and patient records in RDF/OWL?
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>>>> Hi all
>>>>
>>>> I'm looking into use of RDF for healthcare apps, specifically
>>>> patient records. I'd be interested to hear this group's sense of  
>>>> the
>>>> current state of the art (eg. HL7-in-RDF etc). Was this discussed
>>>> much at the recent F2F meeting? Anyone interested in collaboration,
>>>> testing and interop?
>>>>
>>>> cheers,
>>>>
>>>> Dan
>>>>
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