Re: [Minutes] Spatial Data on the Web IG call - 2017-11-29

Late apologies from me. The SSN primer group has not been started yet. We are currently working on a journal paper on the SSN ontology and will commence the work on the primer early next year when this work has finished.

On 30/11/17, 8:28 am, "Francois Daoust" <fd@w3.org> wrote:

    Hi all,
    
    The minutes of today's plenary call for the Spatial Data on the Web Interest Group are available online at:
    https://www.w3.org/2017/11/29-sdw-minutes.html

    ... and copied as raw text below.
    
    We went through the different on-going activities in the IG. Peter Rushforth presented MapML, developed in the Maps for HTML Community Group. Follow-up discussion on the topic expected and actually already started on the mailing-list:
    https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sdwig/2017Nov/0034.html

    
    Thanks,
    Francois.
    
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    Spatial Data on the Web IG Call
    29 November 2017
    
       [2]Agenda [3]IRC log
    
          [2] https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sdwig/2017Nov/0031.html

          [3] https://www.w3.org/2017/11/29-sdw-irc

    
    Attendees
    
       Present
              Andrea_Perego, Bill_Roberts, Chris_Little,
              Francois_Daoust, Jeremy_Tandy, Linda_vanden_Brink,
              Michael_Gordon, Peter_Rushforth, Rob_Atkinson,
              Joseph_Abhayaratna, Peter_Rushforth
    
       Chair
              Jeremy, Linda
    
       Scribe
              Linda, tidoust
    
    Contents
    
         * [4]Meeting Minutes
             1. [5]Sub-groups and their work plans
             2. [6]Tools and Web-pages for SDW-IG
             3. [7]Update on MapML
             4. [8]Updates from each active work stream
             5. [9]Next meeting
    
    Meeting Minutes
    
       [Jeremy going through patent policy statement]
    
    Sub-groups and their work plans
    
       jtandy: After last meeting last month, we discussed with Linda,
       Francois, Scott.
       … We have a Statistics Data on the Web group led by Bill.
    
       Bill: Right.
       … Liaison with Stats CG goes well. On the call last time.
    
       jtandy: SSN Primer group led by Armin who is not around, so
       cannot confirm.
       … SSN & Observation doc, not ready yet, so not moving ahead for
       now.
       … Spatial data on the Web BP group led by Michael, first call
       an hour ago.
       … The errata for the specs published by the WG, we're not going
       to process them in sub groups but within the whole group.
       … QB4ST, I have an action to check with roba, we can talk about
       that later on.
       … Also EO-QB, so far, we haven't had any contacts with the
       previous editors.
       … Effectively, you can organize your own work, and then we'll
       try to update on progress from everyone to see what support you
       might need from the group.
    
       Linda: I did have some email contact with Kerry. She did say
       that she was planning to join this IG but haven't done so yet.
    
       ChrisLittle: One of the issues I want to discuss is a follow-up
       in Time Ontology in OWL. Interested in non-Gregorian calendar
       such as the 365 calendar.
       … It's not quite errata for the Time Ontology.
       … I'm certainly going to discuss it next week in OGC.
       … Would this group have any views?
    
       roba: That sort of example of using other calendars would be a
       use case for QB4ST.
       … It's certainly of interest and make a useful test case.
    
       jtandy: In terms of publishing stuff, we can create Notes
       without problem.
       … To push it as a REC, we need to go through a more formalized
       process.
    
       Francois: I confirm we need a WG to publish as a REC. That's
       doable!
    
       Francois: The Spatial Data on the Web WG is in passive mode.
       We'd need a new group (possibly with the same name, but a new
       one reviewed by the Advisory Committee)
    
       jtandy: We can start the incubation in this IG.
    
    Tools and Web-pages for SDW-IG
    
       <jtandy> [10]https://www.w3.org/2017/sdwig/

    
         [10] https://www.w3.org/2017/sdwig/

    
       jtandy: Francois is maintaining the home page manually for now.
    
       jtandy: What we're proposing with Linda is that we do as much
       work as we can in the GitHub repository, and use Markdown
       … I have done it before in another project. I have an action to
       kick things off.
    
       <MichaelGordon> +1
    
       <ChrisLittle> +1 GitHub and markdown
    
       roba: The ReSpec system has a way of handling bibliography and
       links. Is there a middle ground?
       … using Markdown?
    
       Francois: ReSpec supports Markdown, I think, so you can benefit
       from these in Markdown too.
       … I need to dig it up, will share links.
    
       Bill: I used Markdown for the Stats on the web BP. It works
       fine.
    
       MichaelGordon: During the SDW BP maintenance call, we had a
       similar discussion. Planning to use Markdown to share Comm
       plan.
       … I haven't used ReSpec at all. Goal is to make sure that
       people are familiar with tools. Suggests listing some notes.
    
       jtandy: There's a lot of material available already. For
       ReSpec, one thing that I found useful was working with someone
       who was already familiar with ReSpec.
       … We can write a little Primer to guide our users on tools
       we're using.
    
       jtandy: What about the "harmonizing WG home pages" activity?
    
       Francois: No news for now. Will check and report.
    
    Update on MapML
    
       [11]Maps for HTML CG
    
         [11] https://www.w3.org/community/maps4html/

    
       PeterRushforth: I prepared a presentation with audio and video
       and wonder if it is possible to show that over WebEx
    
       [Playing with WebEx]
    
       PeterRushforth: We started the Map for HTML CG in 2014 at the
       Linking Spatial Data meetup in London
       … I've been prototyping the concepts we've talked about in that
       meeting since then.
       … I'd like to give you a demo today.
    
       PeterRushforth: Maps for HTML is a markup language.
       Standardization of maps in HTML is an attainable goal, that's
       what we'd like to demonstrate.
       … Location plays a role in every decision that we make today
       and into the future.
       … And yet, integration of spatial data is not done.
       … There's no go to standards for Web mapping.
       … Where should the beginners start?
       … The Web is for everyone said Tim Berners Lee. If it's not
       easy to make a map, we're not doing good.
       … Making Web mapping the exclusive domain of seasoned and
       specialists
       … is restrictive.
       … We need to step back.
       … How to have newcomers start their journey through GIS?
       … The Web platform is the ubiquitous platform that we need.
       … The Maps for HTML CG is to extend HTML to include maps so
       that people can use the tools everyone has to play with maps.
       … [showing a demo of a maps services repository in Canada]
       … Searchable and indexable repository. Supports maps in more
       than one projection. That's a concept in MapML to include other
       projections.
       … The Canadian geospatial platform provides many map services
       in Lambert Conformal Conic form.
       … The Canada base map. Here, you're seeing one rendered with an
       HTML Custom Element.
       … Works like a leaflet.
       … And in fact I used Leaflet for this.
       … See the <map> tag element.
       … Attributes used to extend the base element
       … [using view source to show the rendering of the map element]
       … MapML is modeled from HTML. The idea is that it represents a
       map element that supports stacking of layers.
       … The <extent> element is based on the form element but
       supports inputs that are specific to maps.
       … The <tile> element implements the OGC aspect
       … Cubewerx implements MapML. They implemented the gotopo layer
       for instance.
       … Finally, just to close the loop on data types that are
       available. We have a vector dataset here.
       … It behaves like how you would expect them to behave. Map
       balloons for different features. Features would by stylable
       using CSS and vanilla Web technologies.
    
       PeterRushforth: I invite people to come to the CG!
    
       ChrisLittle: OGC mailing-list discussion about stylesheets. Rob
       and Jerome something, comes out of an ad-hoc meeting we had
       somewhere. Trying to ressussissate "SLDSE"
       … CSS deemed too complex for the hierarchy in maps.
       … But the open source community reacted to that because it was
       felt too complex
    
       jtandy: Can I ask you two to have a discussion about that on
       the mailing-list?
    
       ChrisLittle: Sure!
    
       jtandy: Anything you need from the IG, Peter?
    
       <roba> what about topology-centric maps? where navigation is by
       topological relationships rather than coordinates?
    
       PeterRushforth: What do you think about the idea of
       standardizing maps in HTML?
    
       jtandy: Why don't you share the presentation with voice-over on
       the mailing-list and start the discussion there?
    
    Updates from each active work stream
    
       billroberts: Stats on the Web group. We had a call last week. 7
       people roughly. Intro call. Focusing on examples. Jo
       volunteered to present at the geosemantic meeting of the OGC
       meeting next week.
       … I'm summarizing what we're doing in that group for the OGC.
    
       jtandy: Are you clear what your aims are for the group?
    
       billroberts: Yes. Same as the SDW BP doc, but for Stats!
    
       jtandy: Anything you need from the group, chairs and Francois?
    
       billroberts: Nothing that I already got.
    
       jtandy: Michael, what are your aims? Progress? Need from the
       group?
    
       Michael: BP maintenance sub-group. Adoption and evangelization
       of the Best Practices to encourage knowledge of them.
       … And then to look at the gaps that have already been called
       out in the document.
       … I think certainly that's where we want to see feedback
       … Adoption of the best practices, first area.
       … In terms of progress, we just had our first call.
       … The main action point is for me to add details of some of the
       initial ideas to GitHub and provide a bit of structure, to be
       shared with the group in the next couple of weeks.
       … In terms of requirements, if people can evangelize the work
       in the meetings they attend, that's good, always useful!
    
       jtandy: Moving to Rob.
    
       roba: QB4ST update. To take it forward needs more work examples
       and implementation experience. If anybody is doing that, I will
       support that in terms of versioning and moving forward.
       … I'm having discussions with DGGS.
       … That's another set of use cases that would provide input.
       … Open work depending on what people are interested in.
    
       jtandy: You can tune the Note based on implementation
       experience.
    
       roba: Yes, or take it to the REC track if there is interest.
    
       jtandy: Same as for the time ontology, we need a WG to take
       things to REC. Just be aware of that.
    
       roba: Yes. It comes down to people wanting to implement things.
    
       jtandy: Exactly. That's what the Advisory Committee at W3C will
       look at.
       … Armin and Jano are not around to talk about SSN and Moving
       Objects. No one for EO-QB
    
       roba: EO-QB is really a best practices primer, including how to
       use QB4ST. Whether it needs to move forward as an enabler is an
       open question.
    
       jtandy: If it does awakens, and is BP, it may fall within
       Michael's job.
    
       <josephabhayaratna> Gotta run all. Until next time :)
    
       Francois: nothing on the Time ontology as far as errata
       … in the SSN spec a few broken links etc
       … strict policy for updating recs
       … but fixing links is allowed
       … will post on the mailing list
       … encourages people to look at the rec doc now because we will
       not do this update process many times
    
       <roba> can respec hav a ttl-lint function :-)
    
       <MichaelGordon> +1
    
       <tidoust> +1
    
       <roba> +1
    
       jtandy: Thank you. Looking at the time, I suggest we talk about
       F2F options on the mailing-list.
    
       <ChrisLittle> +1
    
       jtandy: TPAC updates?
    
       Linda: Not much to say, will raise on the mailing-list.
    
       jtandy: Same thing for accessibility on the maps.
    
       Linda: On the mailing-list, it's good.
    
    Next meeting
    
       jtandy: In a month, it will be pretty much Christmas and for
       many of us a difficult time for us to be available. When would
       people want to meet again?
    
       <roba> unavailble till the new year, then flexible
    
       MichaelGordon: I'm only available in the next couple of weeks,
       typically, then travel, Christmas and so on.
    
       billroberts: Just a suggestion that we have a 5 week gap until
       the next meeting.
       … We could start fresh and enthusiastic on the 3rd of January.
    
       jtandy: Any objection?
    
       <PeterRushforth> +1
    
       <Linda> +1
    
       ChrisLittle: [discussing timing of alternating plenary and
       group calls]
    
       jtandy: OK, January seems a good option.
    
       jtandy: It would be good to have an update about things that
       happened in New Zealand next time.
    
       <PeterRushforth> Thanks!!
    
       <ChrisLittle> bye
    
    
    
    
    

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