[Minutes-BP] 2016-05-19

The minutes of today's BP sub group are at 
https://www.w3.org/2016/05/18-sdwbp-minutes


Lots of regrets for today's meeting but we were able to talk about how 
Linda was able to make progress with her section of the narrative and 
hear about Bart/Nicky's related project that might give us a good 
example in due course.


                 Spatial Data on the Web WG BP Sub Group

18 May 2016

    [2]Agenda

       [2] https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Meetings:BP-Telecon20160518

    See also: [3]IRC log

       [3] http://www.w3.org/2016/05/18-sdwbp-irc

Attendees

    Present
           phila, BartvanLeeuwen, ByronCinNZ, ClausStadler, Linda,
           Nicky, AndreaPerego

    Regrets
           Jeremy, Payam, Scott, Clemens, Josh, Kerry, Bill, Ed,
           Matt

    Chair
           Linda

    Scribe
           phila

Contents

      * [4]Topics
          1. [5]Progress of BP Narrative
          2. [6]Item 3 Publish flood inundation forecast data as
             vector dataset and identify the administrative areas
             (?) that each inundation area is predicted to impact
          3. [7]Steps for completing the narratuve
      * [8]Summary of Action Items
      * [9]Summary of Resolutions
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    <scribe> scribe: phila

    <scribe> scribeNick: phila

    <Linda> ByronCinNZ, Nicky, can you join the webex?

    -> www.w3.org/TR/2016/WD-dwbp-20160519/ DWBP 'Last Call'

    PROPOSED: Accept last week's minutes
    [10]https://www.w3.org/2016/05/04-sdwbp-minutes

   https://www.w3.org/2016/05/04-sdwbp-minutes

    +1

    <Linda> +1

    <ClausStadler> +0 (unfortunately missed it because i confused
    the time)

    <BartvanLeeuwen> +0 not there

    RESOLUTION: Accept last week's minutes
    [11]https://www.w3.org/2016/05/04-sdwbp-minutes

      [11] https://www.w3.org/2016/05/04-sdwbp-minutes

    <Linda> [12]https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Patent_Call

      [12] https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Patent_Call

    -> [13]https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Patent_Call Patent
    Call

      [13] https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Patent_Call

Progress of BP Narrative

    Linda: Lots of regrets for this week
    ... AS I think we know, we're working on a narrative to use as
    the main structure of the doc. Narrative is about a flood event
    and the emergency response to it

    -> [14]https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/BP_Narrative_2
    Narrative

      [14] https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/BP_Narrative_2

    Linda: Jeremy divided the narrative into 9 sub items and
    assigned an owner to each section.
    ... First item is listed without an owner in the agenda but Jon
    Blower & co at Reading Uni are going to cover that for us.
    ... Have you had a chance to look at it, Bart?

    BartvanLeeuwen: A quick remark - I wasn't on the call when this
    was mentioned before is about terminology.
    ... I have problem with the work inundentation

    phila: (it just means flood)

    Linda: It should be clear from the last minutes that we decided
    that we wanted to make it clearer. Avoid too specific
    terminology. It just hasn't been done yet.

    BartvanLeeuwen: OK, I remember we had the discussion

    phila: It's not an exact synonym, but it's probably OK

    Linda: OK, let's say flood.

    BartvanLeeuwen: Nicky is here to help take weight off my back
    but we're both in a project for the Dutch Fire Department and
    the Road and water authority
    ... Talking about exchanging data on flooding
    ... ALl the stuff that is in this narrative is what we talk
    about with them.
    ... As ever, a lot of discussion with them is so far mostly
    about process but that's always the case.
    ... We're hoping for more discussion about what is happening in
    the wild. We certainly mentioned this WG

Item 3 Publish flood inundation forecast data as vector dataset and
identify the administrative areas (?) that each inundation area is
predicted to impact

    Linda: This is where a Web developer decides to use some data.
    He will convert a coverage to a feature dataset
    ... That sounds like a lot to ask of a Web developer
    ... and then publish this data as a set of features with
    persistent URIs etc.
    ... Identify the admin areas that touch the flooded areas.
    ... I decided to try and provide some content for this part of
    the narrative but I can't provide everything that Jeremy
    wrwote.
    ... I have the Geonovum testbed where interesting stuff has
    been going on.
    ... What I said was that those flooded areas are new features
    and the developer will need to mint their own IDs
    ... Next step is relate each flooded area to an admin area.
    He'll do this offline with a GIS tool.
    ... Not interesting here to talk about how that's done. But he
    creates links from the flooded areas to admin.
    ... I gavce a JSOn example of that.
    ... There are more parts of the task that Jeremy descibes that
    I don't have any content for.
    ... Need to think about data compactness and performance
    ... Again had some Geonovum test bed info I could use.
    Algorithms for reducing hte number of points in a geomoetry.
    ... Last thing to do is to include provenance data so we know
    which ervsion of the dataset was used.
    ... Dunno about that so I didn't provide that info for the
    narrative.
    ... I tell you this as an example of how you can provide
    content for one of those narrative items.
    ... It doesn't mean that an owner has to know everything. Just
    put in what you can and work with others to complete it. That's
    the part I have left to do.
    ... But I already have some examples in there.

    phila: How long did it take?

    Linda: About 2 hours
    ... if we get more content like this in the other narrative
    items then that's going to help.
    ... What we need most is examples... How you can do things like
    simplify geometries

    BartvanLeeuwen: I see you;re using stuff from the testbed
    ... The project was obviously set up to get insights to see how
    things can be done, but is that a BP?
    ... This whole geonovum test bed tried various things to see
    how we could solve problems but there's no production
    environment around it.
    ... I'm not against that as I'm facing some of those problems
    myself, but on the plenary call I'd like to hear what people
    think.

    phila: makes the case for *some* fiction, to support the real
    world intended outcomes

    BartvanLeeuwen: There aren't any BPs yet, so we have no real
    world info to draw on.
    ... We'd find lots of ways of solving the problem.
    ... So in an example, we say that you need to have a URI for
    your features. Then show how you might do it, not how you must
    do it.

    Linda: For the simplifying geometries, we would say that you
    shoujld provide simplified geometries and then we can offer one
    or more examples

    phila: Sounds right to me

    Linda: AndreaPerego your name is on item 4
    ... Anything to report?

    AndreaPerego: I was thinking about how I can contribute. It's
    not clear to me which level of detail we should aim for.
    ... I said I'd take care of the metadata part. So I want to
    work out how I can apply this to the narrative.
    ... I'm not sure I can address all the relevant metadata issues
    just sticking to the narrative.

    Linda: Can you give an example?

    AndreaPerego: We have this data, we have to make it
    discoverable, so the related BPs about publishing metadata, but
    also about the format we want to use for the publications.
    ... Using schema.org, perhaps.
    ... There are some open issues on how to specify the precise
    geometry, bouncding box, CRS, spatial resolution etc.
    ... Is it fine if I can just address some of the BPs

    Linda: I think that would be a good way to go. That's what I
    did. I couldn't provide complete content for item 3, so I
    filled in what I could.
    ... The next step is to add more, perhaps someone else can do
    that.

    AndreaPerego: OK, I'll try and do my draft by next week.
    ... One thing that might be relevant to scope broadening, might
    be to share metadata via multiple platforms so that people from
    other communities can find it.
    ... Are we bound to the boundaries?

    Linda: I think you're free to broaden it...
    ... I think if you publish the metadata so it's usable in
    different platform, that improves discovery
    ... SO you're touching on GeoDCAT I guess?

    AndreaPerego: You have spatial metadata in ISO19115 but you
    want to make it available in RDF too.

    Linda: And you mentioned the Data Quality Vocab to talk about
    spatial resolution

    AndreaPerego: Is spatial resolution a use case for the DQV?

    BartvanLeeuwen: What do you mean exactly?

    AndreaPerego: The map has 1km or 1m resolution, 1:1000 and so
    on
    ... That's a differnet level of generalisation

    BartvanLeeuwen: That's rlevant. If you;re looking at a flood
    map, it matters if it's at 50 m or 100m resolution

    -> [15]https://www.w3.org/TR/2016/WD-vocab-dqv-20160519/ DQV

      [15] https://www.w3.org/TR/2016/WD-vocab-dqv-20160519/

    phila: Talks about the DQV and hwo it should be possible to
    express spatial resolution using it.

    AndreaPerego: I'll try and do my bit by next week's plenary
    call

    Linda: I won't go into other areas as the owners aren't here
    today.

Steps for completing the narratuve

    s.narrative/narrative/

    Linda: Jeremy wants us to reference sources of data. That
    speaks to Bart's question about what needs to be real world
    ... Maybe we shouldn't be too strict about that.

    phila: wonders where Linda is reading this from?

    Linda: from the agenda
    [16]https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Meetings:BP-Telecon201
    60518#Main_agenda

      [16] 
https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Meetings:BP-Telecon20160518#Main_agenda

    Completing the narrative

    (i) reference source implementations "in the wild"

    (ii) convert the implementation pattern to discuss the relevant
    aspect of the flooding scenario;

    (iii) create a full worked example; publish to GitHub?

    (iv) grab code snippets for the Best Practice document

    Linda: from this list, I think the first item we havea
    discussed and we should bring it up in the full group.
    ... The other parts, esp 3 and 4 ... full worked examples might
    be simple for some and a hurdle for others.
    ... Not everyone can publish a full example

    phila: Examples can be published on w3.org with the doc

    BartvanLeeuwen: Asked about time line

    phila: Suggested that an extension to July 2017 seems likely.

    BartvanLeeuwen: Nicky nad I will have a product within that
    time
    ... The demo needs to be finished in September this year
    ... SO by summer next year that's well within time

    Linda: That would be good. It also means that as a WG we don't
    need to create a full example

    phila: Dips a toe into problem of seeming to support one
    solution

    BartvanLeeuwen: It's a demo that will be oppen source etc. by
    the fire department

    phila: Sounds good.

Summary of Action Items

Summary of Resolutions

     1. [17]Accept last week's minutes
        https://www.w3.org/2016/05/04-sdwbp-minutes

    [End of minutes]
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