Re: Agenda for Best Practice sub-group, 14:00UTC 1-June-2016

On 08/06/2016 14:07, Simon.Cox@csiro.au wrote:
> 2) Separate Thing and Model:
>
> owl:Thing <- SpatialThing (== Feature)
>
> <- SpatialModel <- Geometry + other spatial models such as LOCN
>
> …
>
> I’m inclined toward 2), also thinking that it’s important to define
> SpatialThing as having at least 1 SpatialModel property, so it’s clear
> as in GeoRSS that adding a hasSpatialModel property to a resource makes
> that resource a SpatialThing.
>
> I’m comfortable with that.

I'm also happy with option #2. Only, it's unclear to me what we actually 
mean with SpatialThing / Feature - my apologies in case I missed the 
relevant point in this discussion.

If we use "feature" as in ISO & GeoSPARQL, then real-world phaenomena / 
things with spatial characteristics are not supposed to be SpatialThing's.

If this the case, probably option #2 could be revised as follows:

owl:Thing <- SpatialThing <- Feature
                           <- SpatialModel <- Geometry + other models

where SpatialThing means "anything having spatial characteristics" - 
real-world things, abstractions of real-world things (features), spatial 
models, geometries. Which is basically the sense of geo:SpatialThing 
(Basic Geo).

Andrea

>
> *From:*Joshua Lieberman [mailto:jlieberman@tumblingwalls.com]
> *Sent:* Saturday, 4 June 2016 5:59 AM
> *To:* Rob Atkinson <rob@metalinkage.com.au>
> *Cc:* Frans Knibbe <frans.knibbe@geodan.nl>; Bill Roberts
> <bill@swirrl.com>; Linda van den Brink <l.vandenbrink@geonovum.nl>; SDW
> WG Public List <public-sdw-wg@w3.org>; Cox, Simon (L&W, Clayton)
> <Simon.Cox@csiro.au>; matthew perry <matthew.perry@oracle.com>
> *Subject:* Re: Agenda for Best Practice sub-group, 14:00UTC 1-June-2016
>
> There are a couple of issues with GeoSPARQL and other existing “spatial”
> ontologies.
>
>     Critical to the general feature model and ISO 19109 is a distinction
>     between something one discerns and discourses about in the world,
>     and a spatial model (particularly a geometry) for that something. We
>     need to preserve that disjunction, however both the distinction and
>     the term “feature” we use for the “something” is a puzzlement to
>     most non-geospatialists in the world.
>
>     Having identified two “something"'s in the world, the next step that
>     most people want to take is describe how they are related. Many of
>     those relations are directly or indirectly spatial —  “touching”,
>     “not disjoint”, “near”, etc.. Mathematically, spatial relations are
>     only computable between spatial models such as geometries, but
>     intuitively those relations should be transitive to the “somethings”
>     themselves.
>
> As Matt noted, in geoSPARQL both Feature and Geometry were subclassed
> from SpatialObject in order to apply spatial relations to either of
> them, despite some misgivings as to whether a Feature should be
> considered as innately spatial. That explains the three concepts.
> Reducing to just Spatial Object (or even owl:Thing) as representing our
> concept of Feature and subclassing Geometry from it would remove the
> disjunction between Feature and Geometry. SpatialObject and Geometry
> could be separate disjunctive owl:Thing’s, but that would make it more
> difficult to restrict spatial relations to either SpatialObject or
> Geometry, and leave no place for other spatial models such as addresses.
>
> Are features inherently spatial? In the GFM, they only have to have
> identity (which by the way disqualifies owl:Thing since they can be
> blank nodes).r However, in GFM, feature refers to both type and
> instance. A type itself is not spatial, but each instance can be
> presumed to recognize phenomena in the real world whether their position
> and extent is known / knowable or not. In OWL, a feature is either an
> individual or a collection of individuals, so it can be argued that an
> OWL Feature is in fact spatial. Quite apart from this theory, most
> people would conclude that a geographic feature is something spatial for
> all but rather un-interesting edge cases.
>
> So we still have two disjunctive concepts, but if both of them can be
> considered spatial so that spatial relations could be applied, although
> we would want to be able to state that a spatial relation involving a
> “feature” implies a possible relation involving geometry. The present
> GeoSPARQL model make sense, then, except perhaps for the name “Feature”.
> We could even include both SpatialThing and Feature in SpatialObject
> with owl:SameAs, for those who can’t get their heads around the “F-word”.
>
> An alternative with some pluses and minuses, would be separate classes
> for SpatialThing a owl:Thing and SpatialModel a owl:Thing, restricting
> spatial relations to one or the other and placing Geometry in
> SpatialModel along with Addresses, Placenames, and other
> not-directly-geometric locators. This adds SpatialModel to the mix, but
> makes it easier to set every type of spatial model disjoint from spatial
> things (that are pretty much distinguished from owl:Thing only by a
> required identity).
>
> [I would probably leave topological elements out of SpatialModel or
> SpatialObject, since spatial relations will generally not be applicable
> and I continue to think that topo elements need not be disjoint from
> features — they really just add “to, from” object properties to a
> feature and are generally unique e.g. a feature representing a topo edge
> will not also represent a node or a face.]
>
> So, three proposals:
>
> 1) Leave GeoSPARQL as it is and add an equivalent SpatialThing:
>
>     owl:Thing <- SpatialObject <- Feature == SpatialThing
>
>         <- Geometry
>
>         <- other spatial models such as LOCN
>
> 2) Separate Thing and Model:
>
>     owl:Thing <- SpatialThing (== Feature)
>
>     <- SpatialModel <- Geometry + other spatial models such as LOCN
>
> 3) All together:
>
>     owl:Thing <- SpatialObject <- SpatialThing (== Feature)
>
>         <- SpatialModel <- Geometry + other spatial models such as LOCN
>
> I’m inclined toward 2), also thinking that it’s important to define
> SpatialThing as having at least 1 SpatialModel property, so it’s clear
> as in GeoRSS that adding a hasSpatialModel property to a resource makes
> that resource a SpatialThing.
>
> Let me know what you think, but I’ll put a version of 2) into WebProtege
> over the weekend so we  can poke it around.
>
> Josh
>
> Joshua Lieberman, Ph.D.
>
> Principal
>
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>
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>
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>
>     On Jun 3, 2016, at 9:46 AM, Rob Atkinson <rob@metalinkage.com.au
>     <mailto:rob@metalinkage.com.au>> wrote:
>
>     lets get the model right - and support the behaviours we need - then
>     argue about the best names.
>
>     If we have an issue with the current GeoSPARQL model - then we have
>     a decision point around whether it compromises its usefulness, and
>     hence if and how we use it.
>
>     Is anyone able to summarise the concerns with the current GeoSparql
>     model?  What is it missing and what does it do strangely or incorrectly?
>
>     On Fri, 3 Jun 2016 at 23:09 Frans Knibbe <frans.knibbe@geodan.nl
>     <mailto:frans.knibbe@geodan.nl>> wrote:
>
>         To me the names or labels of the concepts are less important
>         than their usefulness. If we can manage with just two concepts
>         (classes) for geometry and spatial things, then that would be a
>         victory for simplicity and clarity. That said, I think for the
>         world at large a label like 'spatial thing' is better at
>         conveying the meaning of the term than 'feature'.
>
>         Regards,
>
>         Frans
>
>         2016-06-03 14:56 GMT+02:00 Bill Roberts <bill@swirrl.com
>         <mailto:bill@swirrl.com>>:
>
>             So are we saying that a Feature is the same as a Spatial Object?
>
>             It probably depends on your background which of those names
>             is most evocative - obviously both are, in themselves, open
>             to interpretation.
>
>             To me 'feature' makes me think of maps, whereas 'spatial
>             object' (while not necessarily the best name ever - 'spatial
>             thing' while also very vague is perhaps slightly better
>             because of all the software and information modelling uses
>             of 'object') makes me think of something I could see or walk
>             round or hit with a hammer.
>
>             Whatever we call it, I think we should be talking about
>             things you can see and walk round.
>
>             On 3 June 2016 at 13:18, Rob Atkinson
>             <rob@metalinkage.com.au <mailto:rob@metalinkage.com.au>> wrote:
>
>                 "(something like: things that have some kind of spatial
>                 presence" ... well - thats what a feature is, and it is
>                 at least defined somewhere - so surely we drop the more
>                 ambiguous term "spatial object" whose existence is a
>                 modelling artefact, not a real world need.  To me
>                 "spatial object" is too easily confused with either a
>                 feature or a geometry
>
>                 Feature and geometry both have real-world analogues - if
>                 we really need something like "spatial object" to
>                 support some logic then perhaps we can start off by
>                 defining why we need, and then debate a suitable name.
>
>                 rob
>
>                 On Fri, 3 Jun 2016 at 19:59 Linda van den Brink
>                 <l.vandenbrink@geonovum.nl
>                 <mailto:l.vandenbrink@geonovum.nl>> wrote:
>
>                     Hi all,
>
>                     +1 That’s exactly what I was thinking this morning
>                     when I read this thread. Without being able to put
>                     into words why I’m thinking this, as of yet…
>
>                     Linda
>
>                     *Van:*Frans Knibbe [mailto:frans.knibbe@geodan.nl
>                     <mailto:frans.knibbe@geodan.nl>]
>                     *Verzonden:* vrijdag 3 juni 2016 11:39
>                     *Aan:* Joshua Lieberman; SDW WG Public List; Simon
>                     Cox; matthew perry
>                     *Onderwerp:* Re: Agenda for Best Practice sub-group,
>                     14:00UTC 1-June-2016
>
>                     Hello all,
>
>                     GeoSPARQL defines three core entities: Feature,
>                     SpatialObject and Geometry. However, in my (possibly
>                     too naive) view we only need two core concepts:
>
>                      1. spatial things: (something like: things that
>                         have some kind of spatial presence, and that can
>                         have spatial relationships)
>                      2. geometry: (something like: an ordered set of
>                         n-dimensional points, can be used to model the
>                         spatial presence of a spatial thing)
>
>                     Is there really a need to have a third concept
>                     (Feature)? If the world could manage with two core
>                     concepts, that would be preferable, wouldn't it?
>
>                     Regards,
>
>                     Frans
>
>                     2016-06-02 17:54 GMT+02:00 Joshua Lieberman
>                     <jlieberman@tumblingwalls.com
>                     <mailto:jlieberman@tumblingwalls.com>>:
>
>                     Simon, Matt, et al,
>
>                     I’m struggling a bit with this right now.
>                     Theoretically, spatial relationships can only be
>                     computed / tested between geometries. Features are
>                     discerned Things in the world that don’t necessarily
>                     have spatial representations and so it makes sense
>                     that they are not themselves spatial objects.
>                     Features and geometries can be disjoint whether or
>                     not feature is a spatial object, but it gets awkward
>                     to make features disjoint from all other spatial
>                     objects (e.g. address, geographic name, region) if
>                     features are also spatial objects.
>
>                     [Topological relationship creation also requires
>                     topological elements, although there is a question
>                     in my mind whether those elements are directly
>                     spatial spatial objects or an algebraic reduction of
>                     certain spatial relationships. It is related to the
>                     dimensionality issue, since topo elements are
>                     distinguished by dimension. There is also a question
>                     in my mind whether features and topo elements have
>                     to be disjoint as features and geometries are or
>                     whether a road centerline can also be a topo edge.]
>
>                     Conceptually, though, one would like to express
>                     relationships between features themselves. For
>                     example, I would (very much) like to assert / infer
>                     / query that one hydrological catchment (a portion
>                     of a landscape) is inside of another one, not that
>                     one possible geometric representation of one
>                     catchment is interior to one possible geometric
>                     representation of the other catchment.
>
>                     It seems that we can relate the two with a property
>                     chain, so that a relationship between geometries
>                     implies a relationship between the features, but
>                     does it make sense to use the same relationships for
>                     both if feature is not a spatial object?
>                     Alternatively, we could create “feature
>                     relationships”, e.g. gfInside for inside:
>
>                     SubObjectPropertyOf(
>
>                         ObjectPropertyChain( :hasGeometry ehInsite [
>                     owl:inverseOf :hasParent] )
>
>                         :gfInside
>
>                       )
>
>                     In the end, I think we want to enable people to form
>                     the assertions that make sense to them, but also
>                     maximize the possibilities for query and inference.
>                     So I’m inclined towards creating feature-specific
>                     relations, some of which can be inferred from
>                     spatial object relations. Thoughts?
>
>                     —Josh
>
>                         On Jun 1, 2016, at 9:49 PM, simon.cox@csiro.au
>                         <mailto:simon.cox@csiro.au> wrote:
>
>                         “Regional Shape” and “Regional Area” are both a
>                         bit iffy:
>
>                         “area” and “region” are approximate synonyms;
>
>                         “shape” sounds like just the outline.
>
>                         *From:* Joshua Lieberman
>                         [mailto:jlieberman@tumblingwalls.com]
>                         *Sent:* Wednesday, 1 June 2016 11:23 PM
>                         *To:* matthew perry <matthew.perry@oracle.com
>                         <mailto:matthew.perry@oracle.com>>
>                         *Cc:* public-sdw-wg@w3.org
>                         <mailto:public-sdw-wg@w3.org>
>                         *Subject:* Re: Agenda for Best Practice
>                         sub-group, 14:00UTC 1-June-2016
>
>                         Matt,
>
>                         Thanks for giving us a perspective on the
>                         current form of GeoSPARQL. Your point about
>                         qualitative relations is well taken. This was
>                         discussed fairly extensively last summer at the
>                         Vespucci Institute, but we discovered that most
>                         of the relations of interest still require at
>                         least some spatial characterization of the
>                         feature, at least a regional dimensionality. For
>                         example, New York inside of United States
>                         presumes that the U.S. is at least a
>                         2-dimensional region. The relation “along”
>                         requires that the object feature have an
>                         elongation in at least one dimension.
>
>                         I have been thinking that we should add a
>                         subclass of SpatialObject, RS_Object (Regional
>                         Shape) that provides this regionality to support
>                         qualitative reasoning. Then we could keep
>                         Feature out of SpatialObject and still do
>                         qualitative reasoning.
>
>                         <image001.png>
>
>                         Josh
>
>                             On Jun 1, 2016, at 8:43 AM, matthew perry
>                             <matthew.perry@oracle.com
>                             <mailto:matthew.perry@oracle.com>> wrote:
>
>                             Hi everyone,
>
>                             The Feature subClassOf SpatialObject does
>                             seem a bit awkward in retrospect. The main
>                             idea was that for qualitative spatial
>                             reasoning, we don't need quantitative
>                             geometries. It should be possible to express
>                             topological relations between features
>                             directly (e.g., New York inside United
>                             States), so we defined SpatialObject as the
>                             class of things that can have topological
>                             relations, and Feature and Geometry are
>                             disjoint subClasses of SpatialObject.
>
>                             Thanks,
>                             Matt
>
>                             On 6/1/2016 4:58 AM, Clemens Portele wrote:
>
>                                 Hm, yes, good question. I did not
>                                 remember that we made geo:Feature a
>                                 geo:SpatialObject in the GeoSPARQL
>                                 development. I agree with you, from the
>                                 definitions this seems wrong. Perhaps
>                                 that could be rediscussed, if there is a
>                                 GeoSPARQL revision.
>
>                                 Clemens
>
>                                 On 1. Juni 2016 at 10:38:24, Andrea
>                                 Perego (andrea.perego@jrc.ec.europa.eu
>                                 <mailto:andrea.perego@jrc.ec.europa.eu>)
>                                 wrote:
>
>                                     Hi, Clemens.
>
>                                     On 01/06/2016 8:26, Clemens Portele
>                                     wrote:
>                                     > If we use 19107 as the basis, a TP_Object is a SpatialObject, too.
>                                     >
>                                     > This is the definition of "topological object" (the TP_Object):
>                                     > "spatial object representing spatial characteristics that are invariant
>                                     > under continuous transformations".
>                                     >
>                                     > The definition of "geometric object" (the GM_Object) is: "spatial object
>                                     > representing a geometric set" where geometric set is "a set of points".
>                                     >
>                                     > GeoSPARQL is consistent with this, geo:Geometry is a sub-class of
>                                     > geo:SpatialObject. If we would define xyz:Topology it should be a
>                                     > sub-class of geoSpatialObject, too.
>
>                                     What is unclear to me is why, in
>                                     GeoSPARQL, feature is made a subclass
>                                     of spatial object.
>
>                                     Putting together the relevant ISO
>                                     definitions:
>                                     - feature: "abstraction of
>                                     real-world phenomena" (ISO 19101,
>                                     19107,
>                                     19109, 19156)
>                                     - spatial object: "object used for
>                                     representing a spatial characteristic
>                                     of a feature" (ISO 19107)
>                                     - geometry (geometric object):
>                                     "spatial object representing a
>                                     geometric
>                                     set" (ISO 19107)
>
>                                     Based on them, a feature is not a
>                                     spatial object - or I'm missing
>                                     something?
>
>                                     Andrea
>
>
>                                     > Clemens
>                                     >
>                                     >
>                                     > On 1. Juni 2016 at 03:37:53, Joshua Lieberman
>                                     > (jlieberman@tumblingwalls.com
>                                     <mailto:jlieberman@tumblingwalls.com> <mailto:jlieberman@tumblingwalls.com>
>                                     <mailto:jlieberman@tumblingwalls.com>)
>                                     wrote:
>                                     >
>                                     >> Yes, a GM_object instance is generally a geometry, but there can be
>                                     >> other spatial objects such as linear references, addresses,
>                                     >> placenames, etc. I’m pondering now whether TP_Object should also be a
>                                     >> subclass of SpatialObject, but I think it too is a form of spatial model.
>                                     >>
>                                     >> “Object” is vague, but possibly less confusing than “model” or
>                                     >> “representation”. The confusion may be a fundamental property of the
>                                     >> GFM, because one first models the worlds as features, then models the
>                                     >> features in turn as spatial objects. Making both feature and geometry
>                                     >> disjoint subclasses of spatial object in GeoSPARQL means, I think,
>                                     >> that SpatialObject really can’t mean anything except a step of removal
>                                     >> from owl:Thing.
>                                     >>
>                                     >> Josh
>                                     >>
>                                     >>> On May 31, 2016, at 9:11 PM, Rob Atkinson <rob@metalinkage.com.au
>                                     <mailto:rob@metalinkage.com.au>
>                                     >>><mailto:rob@metalinkage.com.au>
>                                     <mailto:rob@metalinkage.com.au>> wrote:
>                                     >>>
>                                     >>> it all depends what you mean :-)
>                                     >>>
>                                     >>> I though a GM_object was specifically a geometry. As such it is
>                                     >>> independent of any real world thing - but it can be used as a
>                                     >>> property of a real world thing to define a spatial characteristic.
>                                     >>>
>                                     >>> as such I would say GM_Object and (real world thing) are disjoint.
>                                     >>>
>                                     >>> What I dont really understand is what a Spatial Object is, except it
>                                     >>> seems to declare that Egenhofer and other spatial operations can be
>                                     >>> supported on either GM_Object or GF_Feature.{geomproperty}. One
>                                     >>> wonders if a more elegant way of declaring this was possible without
>                                     >>> introducing a very strange abstract notion (and the confusion here I
>                                     >>> think is the evidence for the strangeness)
>                                     >>>
>                                     >>> OTOH running with the geoSPARQL as-is makes sense unless its provably
>                                     >>> broken in terms of the inferences it allows, so I'll just get over my
>                                     >>> distaste of incompatible naming vs. intent.
>                                     >>>
>                                     >>> Rob
>                                     >>>
>                                     >>>
>                                     >>>
>                                     >>>
>                                     >>> On Wed, 1 Jun 2016 at 09:58 Joshua Lieberman
>                                     >>> <jlieberman@tumblingwalls.com
>                                     <mailto:jlieberman@tumblingwalls.com> <mailto:jlieberman@tumblingwalls.com>
>                                     <mailto:jlieberman@tumblingwalls.com>>
>                                     >>> wrote:
>                                     >>>
>                                     >>> I’m questioning whether that is a good idea.
>                                     >>>
>                                     >>>
>                                     >>>
>                                     >>>> On May 31, 2016, at 7:43 PM,simon.cox@csiro.au
>                                     <mailto:simon.cox@csiro.au>
>                                     >>>><mailto:simon.cox@csiro.au>
>                                     <mailto:simon.cox@csiro.au> wrote:
>                                     >>>>
>                                     >>>> In GeoSPARQL SpatialObject is superclass of geometry and spatial
>                                     >>>> feature.
>                                     >>>>
>                                     >>>> -----Original Message-----
>                                     >>>> From: Joshua Lieberman [mailto:jlieberman@tumblingwalls.com]
>                                     >>>> Sent: Wednesday, 1 June 2016 9:39 AM
>                                     >>>> To: Cox, Simon (L&W, Clayton) <Simon.Cox@csiro.au
>                                     <mailto:Simon.Cox@csiro.au>
>                                     >>>><mailto:Simon.Cox@csiro.au>
>                                     <mailto:Simon.Cox@csiro.au>>
>                                     >>>> Cc:andrea.perego@jrc.ec.europa.eu
>                                     <mailto:andrea.perego@jrc.ec.europa.eu>
>                                     >>>><mailto:andrea.perego@jrc.ec.europa.eu>
>                                     <mailto:andrea.perego@jrc.ec.europa.eu>;
>
>                                     >>>>l.vandenbrink@geonovum.nl
>                                     <mailto:l.vandenbrink@geonovum.nl>
>                                     <mailto:l.vandenbrink@geonovum.nl>
>                                     <mailto:l.vandenbrink@geonovum.nl>;
>                                     >>>>frans.knibbe@geodan.nl
>                                     <mailto:frans.knibbe@geodan.nl>
>                                     <mailto:frans.knibbe@geodan.nl>
>                                     <mailto:frans.knibbe@geodan.nl>;
>                                     >>>>public-sdw-wg@w3.org
>                                     <mailto:public-sdw-wg@w3.org>
>                                     <mailto:public-sdw-wg@w3.org>
>                                     <mailto:public-sdw-wg@w3.org>
>                                     >>>> Subject: Re: Agenda for Best Practice sub-group, 14:00UTC
>                                     >>>> 1-June-2016
>                                     >>>>
>                                     >>>> Can't SpatialObject be disjoint from GF_Feature? Maybe it's
>                                     >>>> really SpatialRepresentation. Unless we want to call it
>                                     >>>> TransfinitePointSet.
>                                     >>>>
>                                     >>>>> On May 31, 2016, at 6:20 PM,simon.cox@csiro.au
>                                     <mailto:simon.cox@csiro.au>
>                                     >>>>><mailto:simon.cox@csiro.au>
>                                     <mailto:simon.cox@csiro.au> wrote:
>                                     >>>>>
>                                     >>>>> That preserves the 'thing is not a subclass of geometry' axiom,
>                                     >>>>> but misses 'geometry is not a subclass of real-world-thing'.
>                                     >>>>> I don't see how to do that without a subclass of owl:Thing
>                                     >>>>> which is disjoint from GM_Object.
>                                     >>>>>
>                                     >>>>> Simon J D Cox
>                                     >>>>> Research Scientist
>                                     >>>>> Land and Water
>                                     >>>>> CSIRO
>                                     >>>>> Esimon.cox@csiro.au
>                                     <mailto:simon.cox@csiro.au>
>                                     <mailto:simon.cox@csiro.au>
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>                                     >>>>>researchgate.net/profile/Simon_Cox3
>                                     <http://researchgate.net/profile/Simon_Cox3>
>
>                                     >>>>><http://researchgate.net/profile/Simon_Cox3>
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>
>                                     >>>>>
>                                     >>>>> ________________________________________
>                                     >>>>> From: Joshua Lieberman <jlieberman@tumblingwalls.com
>                                     <mailto:jlieberman@tumblingwalls.com>
>                                     >>>>><mailto:jlieberman@tumblingwalls.com> <mailto:jlieberman@tumblingwalls.com>>
>
>                                     >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, 1 June 2016 7:12 AM
>                                     >>>>> To: Andrea Perego
>                                     >>>>> Cc: Linda van den Brink; Frans Knibbe; SDW WG
>                                     >>>>> (public-sdw-wg@w3.org
>                                     <mailto:public-sdw-wg@w3.org>
>                                     <mailto:public-sdw-wg@w3.org>
>                                     <mailto:public-sdw-wg@w3.org>)
>                                     >>>>> Subject: Re: Agenda for Best Practice sub-group, 14:00UTC
>                                     >>>>> 1-June-2016
>                                     >>>>>
>                                     >>>>>> On May 31, 2016, at 10:01 AM, Andrea Perego
>                                     >>>>>> <andrea.perego@jrc.ec.europa.eu
>                                     <mailto:andrea.perego@jrc.ec.europa.eu>
>                                     >>>>>><mailto:andrea.perego@jrc.ec.europa.eu>
>                                     <mailto:andrea.perego@jrc.ec.europa.eu>>
>                                     wrote:
>                                     >>>>>>
>                                     >>>>>> Dear Linda, dear Frans, dear Josh,
>                                     >>>>>>
>                                     >>>>>> About the agenda item on "spatial ontology", I wonder whether
>                                     >>>>>> we can include here a clarification on the notions of spatial
>                                     >>>>>> object, feature and geometry in GeoSPARQL - in relation to
>                                     >>>>>> ISO, and to our discussion on real-world / spatial things.
>                                     >>>>>>
>                                     >>>>>> In particular:
>                                     >>>>>>
>                                     >>>>>> 1. In GeoSPARQL, feature and geometry are explicitly mapped to
>                                     >>>>>> the corresponding notions in the relevant ISO standards.
>                                     >>>>>> However, the definition of spatial object in GeoSPARQL doesn't
>                                     >>>>>> seem to match to the ISO one ("object used for representing a
>                                     >>>>>> spatial characteristic of a feature" - ISO 19107).
>                                     >>>>>
>                                     >>>>> Yes, it's questionable whether GF_Feature should be considered
>                                     >>>>> a "Spatial Object". In ISO 19109, it's a real-world target of
>                                     >>>>> discourse, that can have properties, including one or more
>                                     >>>>> geometric model representations. I'm tending towards making
>                                     >>>>> GF_Feature an owl:Thing, and leaving GM_Object as a SpatialObject.
>                                     >>>>>>
>                                     >>>>>> 2. What in GeoSPARQL corresponds to real-world / spatial things?
>                                     >>>>>>
>                                     >>>>>> Thanks
>                                     >>>>>>
>                                     >>>>>> Andrea
>                                     >>>>>>
>                                     >>>>>>
>                                     >>>>>> On 30/05/2016 10:22, Linda van den Brink wrote:
>                                     >>>>>>> Hi all,
>                                     >>>>>>>
>                                     >>>>>>>
>                                     >>>>>>>
>                                     >>>>>>> The Best Practice sub-group telecon agenda is at
>                                     >>>>>>>https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Meetings:BP-Telecon20160601.
>
>                                     >>>>>>>
>                                     >>>>>>>
>                                     >>>>>>>
>                                     >>>>>>> Main agenda:
>                                     >>>>>>>
>                                     >>>>>>> * Progress of BP Narrative 2
>                                     >>>>>>>
>                                     >>>>>>> * Spatial ontology
>                                     >>>>>>>
>                                     >>>>>>>
>                                     >>>>>>>
>                                     >>>>>>> See you all on Wednesday! (else please advise any regrets).
>                                     >>>>>>>
>                                     >>>>>>>
>                                     >>>>>>>
>                                     >>>>>>> Linda
>                                     >>>>>>>
>                                     >>>>>>
>                                     >>>>>> --
>                                     >>>>>> Andrea Perego, Ph.D.
>                                     >>>>>> Scientific / Technical Project Officer European Commission DG JRC
>                                     >>>>>> Institute for Environment & Sustainability Unit H06 - Digital
>                                     >>>>>> Earth &
>                                     >>>>>> Reference Data Via E. Fermi, 2749 - TP 262
>                                     >>>>>> 21027 Ispra VA, Italy
>                                     >>>>>>
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>                                     >>>>>>
>                                     >>>>>>
>                                     >>>>>
>                                     >>>>>
>                                     >>>>>
>                                     >>>>
>                                     >>>>
>                                     >>>>
>                                     >>>>
>                                     >>>
>                                     >>> <SpatialObject.png><SpatialObject.png>
>                                     >>
>
>                                     --
>                                     Andrea Perego, Ph.D.
>                                     Scientific / Technical Project Officer
>                                     European Commission DG JRC
>                                     Institute for Environment &
>                                     Sustainability
>                                     Unit H06 - Digital Earth & Reference
>                                     Data
>                                     Via E. Fermi, 2749 - TP 262
>                                     21027 Ispra VA, Italy
>
>                                     https://ec.europa.eu/jrc/
>

-- 
Andrea Perego, Ph.D.
Scientific / Technical Project Officer
European Commission DG JRC
Institute for Environment & Sustainability
Unit H06 - Digital Earth & Reference Data
Via E. Fermi, 2749 - TP 262
21027 Ispra VA, Italy

https://ec.europa.eu/jrc/

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