Re: DWBP SDWBP alignment notes

Hi all. Looks like we have consensus emerging :-) ... I'm happy to see CRS
as locale info given what you've said. Jeremy
On Fri, 22 Jul 2016 at 11:09, Andrea Perego <andrea.perego@jrc.ec.europa.eu>
wrote:

> On 22/07/2016 11:45, Linda van den Brink wrote:
> > Responding to the comments on SDWBP 8…
> >
> >> SDWBP 8 is about when to use a specific CRS rather than rely on the
> ubiquitous EPSG 3857 / WGS 84; which is a data quality issue. I don't see >
> how this is a locale issue?
> >
> > Intuitively, and probably this is because I don’t have a spatial
> > background originally, I do see it as a locale issue. These specific CRS
> > exist to provide a coordinate system for a specific region of the world
> > (often a specific country). Someone from France is never going to use
> > the Dutch coordinate system and vice versa. It’s region-specific, like a
> > language, thus I’m thinking ‘locale’.
>
> I think the notion of 'locale' is a good approximation, and it is
> domain-independent enough to make non-geo experts have a (partial)
> understanding of what a CRS is.
>
> > And yes, you could see it as a data quality thing as well, because these
> > specific CRS exist for high accuracy spatial data, but that is something
> > only spatial people know.
>
> +1. This can be seen as conformance of data with a "standard" - in this
> case, a (spatial or temporal) reference system. This is how you can
> model it with DQV. And this is how it is modelled in GeoDCAT-AP.
>
> Andrea
>
>
> > *Van:*Byron Cochrane [mailto:bcochrane@linz.govt.nz]
> > *Verzonden:* woensdag 20 juli 2016 13:53
> > *Aan:* 'Jeremy Tandy'; 'Little, Chris'; 'public-sdw-wg@w3.org'
> > *Onderwerp:* RE: DWBP SDWBP alignment notes
> >
> >
> >
> > …and reply to 30
> >
> >
> >
> > *From:*Jeremy Tandy [mailto:jeremy.tandy@gmail.com]
> > *Sent:* Wednesday, 20 July 2016 1:51 a.m.
> > *To:* Little, Chris; Byron Cochrane; public-sdw-wg@w3.org
> > <mailto:public-sdw-wg@w3.org>
> > *Subject:* Re: DWBP SDWBP alignment notes
> >
> >
> >
> > I forgot SDWBP 29 and 30 ...
> >
> >
> >
> > SDWBP 29. Agreed.
> >
> >
> >
> > SDWBP 30. I recall Bill Roberts saying that being able to use the API to
> > search was important. I think that DWBP 23 covers the broad issue of
> > APIs, but we should (at least) use a search API as an example?
> >
> > So a spatial specific search API to cite for within a dataset would be
> > useful.  At the dataset level we have some spatial search api tools
> > (GeoSPARQL, CSW).  Not so sure about a bp to cite for inside a spatial
> > api.  Good idea, though
> >
> >
> >
> > OK, That's me done for now.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, 19 Jul 2016 at 14:45 Jeremy Tandy <jeremy.tandy@gmail.com
> > <mailto:jeremy.tandy@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> >     Responding now to Byron.
> >
> >
> >
> >     Thanks for the assessment. Comments below...
> >
> >
> >
> >     SDWBP 3 is about converting dataset-scoped identifiers to URLs. I
> >     don't see how this relates to vocabularies (topic of DWBP 15).
> >     Please can you elaborate?
> >
> >
> >
> >     SDWBP 8 is about when to use a specific CRS rather than rely on the
> >     ubiquitous EPSG 3857 / WGS 84; which is a data quality issue. I
> >     don't see how this is a locale issue?
> >
> >
> >
> >     SDWBP 9. Agreed. Are you aware of any 'vocabularies' that can be
> >     used to describe relative positions? (other than GML)
> >
> >
> >
> >     ... same question applies to SDWBP 10; what are the vocabularies for
> >     representing positional inaccuracy?
> >
> >
> >
> >     SDWBP 13 is trying to say "if you know about a [spatial]
> >     relationship with another resource (and you care enough to write it
> >     down) then write it down; don't rely on spatial correlation" ...
> >     which is why I aligned it with SDWBP 23. The discussion on which
> >     spatial vocabulary to use to express those relationships was SDWBP
> >     12 'use spatial semantics for spatial things'.
> >
> >
> >
> >     SDWBP 14-18. Agree; we need to make sure that folks interested in
> >     environmental data (observations) are adequately covered. My hope
> >     was that the SSN work would provide sufficient examples. Also, it's
> >     difficult for us to define "best practice" for these cases that will
> >     refer to the _brand new_ SSN redux (!). Our BPs need to be based on
> >     evidence of real world application.
> >
> >
> >
> >     SDWBP 19-22. I like your idea of giving a primacy to "linking data"
> >     ... BP: "do linked data" (!)
> >
> >
> >
> >     SDWBP 24-25 ... I can see your point about overlap with DWBP 1-7.
> >     When writing SDWBP 24 I was trying to emphasise that the Links (that
> >     we'd earlier recommended creating) can be used to find / discover
> >     data; so more about maximising value of Linked Data than talking
> >     about particular types of metadata. SDWBP 25 is about allowing
> >     search engines to see inside the dataset. I'd taken DWBP 1-7 as
> >     focusing on the dataset-level metadata rather than the individual
> >     entities described by the dataset. Looking again at DWBP 1, I see
> >     that that is not necessarily the case. Given that, it would make
> >     sense to extend DWBP 1; e.g. using schema.org <http://schema.org>
> >     and hypercat as examples?
> >
> >
> >
> >     SDWBP 26; agree that this is coverage in DWBP 2
> >
> >
> >
> >     SDWBP 27. This is similar to providing subsets; but the emphasis was
> >     to get get data owners to publish their data how ever they could. If
> >     they could only afford to do bulk publication, then that's good. If
> >     they can provide a rich API, even better. Either way, I think we
> >     cover the nuances of this elsewhere.
> >
> >
> >
> >     SDWBP 28. Agree that this isn't spatial specific. I think the DWBP
> >     folks did a great job of covering the bases with DWBP 23 'make data
> >     available through an API' that I thought we might have to. Likewise,
> >     SDWBP 29 aligns well with DWBP 25 'Provide complete documentation
> >     for your API'.
> >
> >
> >
> >     On Tue, 19 Jul 2016 at 13:52 Jeremy Tandy <jeremy.tandy@gmail.com
> >     <mailto:jeremy.tandy@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> >         Hi Chris.
> >
> >
> >
> >         Thanks for taking the time to look at this.
> >
> >
> >
> >         Responding to (some of) your points about
> >         "expansion/restriction/explanation/examples/prescription of DWBP
> >         best practices probably needed"...
> >
> >
> >
> >         DWBP 1 and DWBP 2. I think that generally, when we think about
> >         dataset metadata (e.g. for discovery) as defined by, say, DCAT
> >         or ISO 19115 I think that this fits in DWBP 2 "Provide
> >         descriptive metadata". Looking at ISO 19115-1, this does include
> >         CRS (as 'referenceSystemInfo';  type 'MD_ReferenceSystem').
> >         Don't know if this is in GeoDCAT-AP. That said, we also need to
> >         cover use of CRS / SRS in the data itself. I think that's
> >         covered in DWBP 15 (reuse vocabularies). We might look at
> >         including that as part of the 'data quality' information (DWBP
> >         7) which says "Data quality might seriously affect the
> >         suitability of data for specific applications" ... which is also
> >         applicable to CRS.
> >
> >
> >
> >         DWBP 4. You make a good point; this practice enables someone to
> >         conveniently query or explore the dataset. Is this inherently
> >         spatial? As of now, I'm not sure where in our set of examples I
> >         could add this. Thoughts appreciated.
> >
> >
> >
> >         DWBP 11. We talk about "use URIs as identifiers within
> >         datasets"; these are for the things described in datasets (e.g.
> >         spatial things, geometries etc.) so that they can be referenced
> >         from _outside_ the dataset. This should resolve your
> >         intra-dataset concern.
> >
> >
> >
> >         DWBP 14. providing different resolutions / matrix tile sets
> >         (etc.) fits better with DWBP 18 'provide subsets of large
> >         datasets'. I see a reduced resolution dataset as a "subset".
> >
> >
> >
> >         DWBP 28. I think this is a different use of the word "coverage".
> >         What this is referring to is trying to make sure that the
> >         "dataset" includes all the reference material that is required
> >         to interpret the data when you take it offline for archive. This
> >         isn't a spatial thing.
> >
> >
> >
> >         Thanks again for the input.
> >
> >
> >
> >         Jeremy
> >
> >
> >
> >         On Thu, 14 Jul 2016 at 10:53 Little, Chris
> >         <chris.little@metoffice.gov.uk
> >         <mailto:chris.little@metoffice.gov.uk>> wrote:
> >
> >             Jeremy, Linda,
> >
> >
> >
> >             To add to Byron’s useful comments here is my take on what
> >             DWBPs can be left untouched/unqualified and which may need
> >             more prescriptive additions. I have left in the current
> >             numbering as these are direct links to the current Candidate
> >             Recommendation document. I have tried to be strict – we
> >             could easily have meaningful comments on each of the 35 BPs.
> >
> >
> >
> >             I think that there is a significant amount of work to do
> >             this properly.
> >
> >
> >
> >             A.      BPs to leave as is, as just point to BP in DWBP
> section:
> >
> >             Best Practice 3
> >             <
> http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/publishing-snapshots/CR-dwbp-20160706/#LocaleParametersMetadata
> >:
> >             Provide locale parameters metadata
> >
> >             Best Practice 5
> >             <
> http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/publishing-snapshots/CR-dwbp-20160706/#DataLicense
> >:
> >             Provide data license information
> >
> >             Best Practice 6
> >             <
> http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/publishing-snapshots/CR-dwbp-20160706/#DataProvenance
> >:
> >             Provide data provenance information
> >
> >             Best Practice 8
> >             <
> http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/publishing-snapshots/CR-dwbp-20160706/#VersioningInfo
> >:
> >             Provide a version indicator
> >
> >             Best Practice 9
> >             <
> http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/publishing-snapshots/CR-dwbp-20160706/#VersionHistory
> >:
> >             Provide version history
> >
> >             Best Practice 10
> >             <
> http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/publishing-snapshots/CR-dwbp-20160706/#UniqueIdentifiers
> >:
> >             Use persistent URIs as identifiers of datasets
> >
> >             Best Practice 12
> >             <
> http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/publishing-snapshots/CR-dwbp-20160706/#VersionIdentifiers
> >:
> >             Assign URIs to dataset versions and series
> >
> >             Best Practice 16
> >             <
> http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/publishing-snapshots/CR-dwbp-20160706/#ChooseRightFormalizationLevel
> >:
> >             Choose the right [vocabulary/semantic] formalization level:
> >             this already has an example of supplying coordinates of bus
> >             stops as well as times and route numbers of buses
> >
> >             Best Practice 19
> >             <
> http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/publishing-snapshots/CR-dwbp-20160706/#Conneg>:
> >             Use content negotiation for serving data available in
> >             multiple formats
> >
> >             Best Practice 20
> >             <
> http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/publishing-snapshots/CR-dwbp-20160706/#AccessRealTime
> >:
> >             Provide real-time access
> >
> >             Best Practice 21
> >             <
> http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/publishing-snapshots/CR-dwbp-20160706/#AccessUptoDate
> >:
> >             Provide data up to date
> >
> >             Best Practice 22
> >             <
> http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/publishing-snapshots/CR-dwbp-20160706/#DataUnavailabilityReference
> >:
> >             Provide an explanation for data that is not available
> >
> >             Best Practice 23
> >             <
> http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/publishing-snapshots/CR-dwbp-20160706/#useanAPI
> >:
> >             Make data available through an API: Unless there are some
> >             specific ones to recommend
> >
> >             Best Practice 24
> >             <
> http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/publishing-snapshots/CR-dwbp-20160706/#APIHttpVerbs
> >:
> >             Use Web Standards as the foundation of APIs
> >
> >             Best Practice 25
> >             <
> http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/publishing-snapshots/CR-dwbp-20160706/#documentYourAPI
> >:
> >             Provide complete documentation for your API
> >
> >             Best Practice 26
> >             <
> http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/publishing-snapshots/CR-dwbp-20160706/#avoidBreakingChangesAPI
> >:
> >             Avoid Breaking Changes to Your API
> >
> >             Best Practice 27
> >             <
> http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/publishing-snapshots/CR-dwbp-20160706/#ResourceStatus
> >:
> >             Preserve identifiers
> >
> >             Best Practice 29
> >             <
> http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/publishing-snapshots/CR-dwbp-20160706/#GatherFeedback
> >:
> >             Gather feedback from data consumers
> >
> >             Best Practice 30
> >             <
> http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/publishing-snapshots/CR-dwbp-20160706/#FeedbackInformation
> >:
> >             Make feedback available
> >
> >             Best Practice 31
> >             <
> http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/publishing-snapshots/CR-dwbp-20160706/#EnrichData
> >:
> >             Enrich data by generating new data
> >
> >             Best Practice 32
> >             <
> http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/publishing-snapshots/CR-dwbp-20160706/#ProvideComplementaryPresentations
> >:
> >             Provide Complementary Presentations
> >
> >             Best Practice 33
> >             <
> http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/publishing-snapshots/CR-dwbp-20160706/#ProvideFeedbackToPublisher
> >:
> >             Provide Feedback to the Original Publisher
> >
> >             Best Practice 34
> >             <
> http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/publishing-snapshots/CR-dwbp-20160706/#FollowLicensingTerms
> >:
> >             Follow Licensing Terms
> >
> >             Best Practice 35
> >             <
> http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/publishing-snapshots/CR-dwbp-20160706/#CiteOriginalPublication
> >:
> >             Cite the Original Publication
> >
> >
> >
> >             B.      Additional
> >             expansion/restriction/explanation/examples/prescription
> >             probably needed
> >
> >             Best Practice 1
> >             <
> http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/publishing-snapshots/CR-dwbp-20160706/#ProvideMetadata
> >:
> >             Provide metadata: Some preferences like geo extensions to
> >             dcterms, or ISO19115
> >
> >             Best Practice 2
> >             <
> http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/publishing-snapshots/CR-dwbp-20160706/#DescriptiveMetadata
> >:
> >             Provide descriptive metadata:Does this include CRSs?
> >
> >             Best Practice 4
> >             <
> http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/publishing-snapshots/CR-dwbp-20160706/#StructuralMetadata
> >:
> >             Provide structural metadata: Does this include map layer
> >             model? Tiling matrix sets? 3D City geometry?
> >
> >             Best Practice 7
> >             <
> http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/publishing-snapshots/CR-dwbp-20160706/#DataQuality
> >:
> >             Provide data quality information:Suggest that this includes
> >             CRSs and expected accuracy and precision?
> >
> >             Best Practice 11
> >             <
> http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/publishing-snapshots/CR-dwbp-20160706/#identifiersWithinDatasets
> >:
> >             Use persistent URIs as identifiers within datasets: Not sure
> >             about this – many intra-dataset URIs may involve coordinates
> >             that may need special URI handling?
> >
> >             Best Practice 13
> >             <
> http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/publishing-snapshots/CR-dwbp-20160706/#MachineReadableStandardizedFormat
> >:
> >             Use machine-readable standardized data formats: Suggest some?
> >
> >             Best Practice 14
> >             <
> http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/publishing-snapshots/CR-dwbp-20160706/#MultipleFormats
> >:
> >             Provide data in multiple formats: Suggest that this might
> >             cover different resolutions/matrix tile sets?
> >
> >             Best Practice 15
> >             <
> http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/publishing-snapshots/CR-dwbp-20160706/#ReuseVocabularies
> >:
> >             Reuse vocabularies, preferably standardized ones:Are there
> >             any to suggest?
> >
> >             Best Practice 17
> >             <
> http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/publishing-snapshots/CR-dwbp-20160706/#BulkAccess
> >:
> >             Provide bulk download:Suggest some examples of where this
> >             could be useful, as opposed to incremental updating
> >
> >             Best Practice 18
> >             <
> http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/publishing-snapshots/CR-dwbp-20160706/#ProvideSubsets
> >:
> >             Provide Subsets for Large Datasets: Suggest tiling, both of
> >             maps and data like 3DCity.
> >
> >             Best Practice 28
> >             <
> http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/publishing-snapshots/CR-dwbp-20160706/#EvaluateCoverage
> >:
> >             Assess dataset coverage:Is this just a bounding box?
> >             Completeness of tile sets? Certificate of Quality? OWS
> Context?
> >
> >
> >
> >             HTH, Chris
> >
> >             *From:*Byron Cochrane [mailto:bcochrane@linz.govt.nz
> >             <mailto:bcochrane@linz.govt.nz>]
> >             *Sent:* Wednesday, July 13, 2016 11:52 PM
> >             *To:* 'public-sdw-wg@w3.org <mailto:public-sdw-wg@w3.org>';
> >             'Jeremy Tandy'
> >             *Subject:* DWBP SDWBP allignment notes
> >
> >
> >
> >             Hi Jeremy,
> >
> >
> >
> >             Here are the notes I made reviewing the two BP docs as
> >             promised.  I have not had time time adjust much to the
> >             feedback last night.  My approach was to review your BP
> >             Consolidation Proposal notes and add comments.  Mostly, I
> >             generally agreed with your existing comments so you can
> >             assume general agreement with those BPs not commented on
> >             here.  Notes are still very rough and need further thought,
> >             but provide me a starting point. Not sure all these notes
> >             agree with each other yet!
> >
> >
> >
> >             SDWBP 3 - This would more naturally fit in reuse of existing
> >             vocabularies discussion (DWBP 15?).  Important point is when
> >             to make spatial relationships explicit or leave implicit
> >
> >
> >
> >             SDWBP 8 - I am inclined to think DWBP 3 is the correct place
> >             to talk about this.  Can recommend WGS 84 as default, but
> >             not convinced that this is just a “data quality” issue
> >
> >
> >
> >             SDWBP 9 - Same as 3. Belongs in DWBP 15
> >
> >
> >
> >             SDWBP 13 - Seems very similar to 3 and 9 but not sure 23 is
> >             the place for this.
> >
> >
> >
> >             SDWBP 14-18 - All of Sensors and Observations section.  Need
> >             to think how to handle this.  Do we lose something valuable
> >             that is not covered by SSN if we take this out?
> >
> >
> >
> >             SDWBP 19-22 - Isn’t linked data an implicit goal of this and
> >             a specific need for DWBP? Or if these are needed for
> >             peculiarities of spatial, should these specifically link to
> >             related “BP for Publishing Linked Data” topics?
> >
> >
> >
> >             SDWBP 24-26 - This section should align with DWBP 1-7 - the
> >             various forms of metadata BC 24 - Do not see how this
> >             differs from 3,9,13,23 BC 25 - Crawability of data is not a
> >             specific concern of spatial. Ideally if needed it should be
> >             in DWBP, but this is not possible.  I have some strong
> >             disagreements with the perceived value of crawliblity when
> >             applied to data, but can leave that aside for the time being.
> >
> >
> >
> >             SDWBP 26 - already covered in DWBP 2 ”spatial coverage”.
> >             For API guidance look to alignment with DWBP 25
> >
> >
> >
> >             SDWBP 27 -  Isn’t this the same as providing subsets DWBP
> >             11? Also, APIs are covered in DWBP 23 -26.  Not sure what is
> >             that geo specific here
> >
> >
> >
> >             SDWBP 28 - Most of this section is not Geo specific.  Some
> >             out of date info here.  WFS section needs a serious update
> >             to be with the times.  As of OGC Testbed 11, WFS has a
> >             restful interface and has always been able to carry payloads
> >             other than GML.  APIs are well covered generally in DWBP
> >             23-26. Should align geo specific concerns with these
> >
> >
> >
> >             SDWBP 29 - The examples section of “GetCapabilities” is
> >             useful. Topic is otherwise covered in DWBP API section.
> >             There has been much discussion in other venues about the
> >             need for a landing page that contains GetCapabilities info.
> >
> >
> >
> >             SDWBP 30 - Again little specific to geo.  Should be covered
> >             in DWBP?
> >
> >
> >
> >             As I said these are rough notes.  I hope to work more on
> >             these tomorrow and may begin to experiment with alignment
> >             with DWBP by topic (rather than number as suggested by
> >             Phil).  Already seeing issue there such as in metadata
> >             section where spatial metadata generally covers many of the
> >             first few best practices.  So a one to one alignment may be
> >             difficult without a great deal of repetition.
> >
> >
> >
> >             Cheers,
> >
> >
> >
> >             *Byron Cochrane
> >             **SDI Technical Leader*
> >
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