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Re: Re: E4H and constructing DOMs

From: Adam Barth <w3c@adambarth.com>
Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2013 09:05:12 -0700
Message-ID: <CAJE5ia9AyL52VtLJCQT8JVAvXth=WxAodf8BCE_UGGxi=mq-EQ@mail.gmail.com>
To: "Mark S. Miller" <erights@google.com>
Cc: Mike Samuel <mikesamuel@gmail.com>, Brendan Eich <brendan@secure.meer.net>, Ian Hickson <ian@hixie.ch>, Rick Waldron <waldron.rick@gmail.com>, Ojan Vafai <ojan@chromium.org>, "rafaelw@chromium.org" <rafaelw@chromium.org>, Adam Klein <adamk@chromium.org>, Anne van Kesteren <annevk@annevk.nl>, Alex Russell <slightlyoff@chromium.org>, "public-script-coord@w3.org" <public-script-coord@w3.org>
On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 8:52 AM, Mark S. Miller <erights@google.com> wrote:
>
> On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 5:02 PM, Mike Samuel <mikesamuel@gmail.com> wrote:
> [...]
>>
>> On Thu, 7 Mar 2013 Adam Barth said
>
> [...]
>>
>> > var firstName = [...];
>> > var lastName = [...];
>> > header.innerHTML = `<h1>Welcome ${ firstName } ${ lastName }!</h1>`;
>> >
>> > If firstName and lastName are are user-controlled (i.e., untrusted),
>> > the above is an XSS vulnerability.  For example, the attacker can set
>> > firstName to "<img onerror='alert(/pwned/)'>".
>>
>> I strongly agree that safety should be the default.
>>
>> I would very much like the default to be overridable to be a late
>> binding producer of string like values that distinguishes trusted
>> substrings so that they can be auto-escaped based on context as
>> described at http://google-caja.googlecode.com/svn/changes/mikesamuel/string-interpolation-29-Jan-2008/trunk/src/js/com/google/caja/interp/index.html
>
>
> Unfortunately, the debate went on from this point ignoring this agreement and without anyone seeming to have followed the link.

I'm glad there's agreement that the templating mechanism should be
secure by default.

> The crucial section in that document is "Implementing Late Binding String Interpolation" at <http://google-caja.googlecode.com/svn/changes/mikesamuel/string-interpolation-29-Jan-2008/trunk/src/js/com/google/caja/interp/index.html#-autogen-id-14>. Because much else has changed since then, it can be hard to read this section and see how it applies to current quasis. The basic idea, put in terms of the rest of the modern proposal, is that the default quasi handler capture the live quasi-handler call arguments and return a stringifiable record:
>
> class DefaultQuasi {
>   constructor(callSiteID, ...substitutions) {
>     this.forceQuasi = function(quasiHandler) {
>       return quasiHandler(callSiteID, ...substitutions);
>     };
>     this.toString = function() {
>       return stringConcatenator(callSiteID, ...substitutions);
>     };
>   }
> }
>
> where stringConcatenator has the behavior of the currently specified default quasi handler.
>
> This delays the actual quasi processing until forced, at which time the context of forcing provides the knowledge of which micro-language to use. Many languages, including HTML, have many different parsing contexts, each with its own escaping conventions, etc. The start symbol in the grammar for each of these parsing contexts forms what I am here calling a micro-language. By having the default quasi handler delay quasi processing this way, and to obtain the quasi handler for the micro language from the quasi handler of the enclosing macro language, the end programmer is relieved of the need to remember the names of these micro languages. If we wish to make the DOM safer, we can, for example, enhance the innerHTML setter so that, if its argument is an instance of DefaultQuasi (or use a [[Class]] check or whatever), then it forces it with the SAFEHTML quasi handler.

That's pretty deep magic.  IMHO, that's even worse than the "hello,
world" template being XSS all the time.  Now the "hello, world"
template is XSS *sometimes* depending if the result of the template
ever gets implicitly converted to a string.  We shouldn't encourage
authors to use a mechanism that could implicitly convert to XSS at any
moment

Adam
Received on Sunday, 10 March 2013 16:06:12 UTC

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