Re: Historical events

I agree with the need for more specific types of events, I've been arguing
myself for Trip and ParcelDelivery to be moved to Event from Intangible.

Schema is a controlled vocabulary
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controlled_vocabulary> though, so the point
is to have agreed meaning on terms. In the same vein I've been arguing that
CreativeWork, Product, and Intangible don't have agreed meaning and
therefore also don't belong in Schema. Terms like "significant",
"important", or "special" declare a subset of things, and to give an
example people do something similar when they star or flag emails. I should
be allowed to use stars, and you should be allowed to use stars, but if we
combined our mail we'd likely need to re-star things based on an agreed
meaning of stars, or alternatively not do it at all.

On periods, eras, epochs, ages, etc., to me they seem the same as events -
portions of time, sometimes exact sometimes not, during which other events
happened or not, and with a name - just normally longer. "Mike's birthday
party", an event I'd argue according to most people, is nothing but a
portion of time during which other events happened - "Mike had a shot",
"Mike cut and served cake" etc. In addition to being an event (armed
conflict) would World War II also be considered a period or era? It's too
ambiguous in my view to go in a controlled vocabulary, hence the suggestion
for the additional duration categories.

Anthony

On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 7:08 AM Vicki Tardif <vtardif@google.com> wrote:

> I don't think we should be the arbiter of 'significance' as we are writing
> the schema, not storing the data. Authors can apply the type as they see
> fit and it is up to readers to reconcile the data and determine if the
> event is significant for their purposes.
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> With that said, I am not opposed to more specific types like ArmedConflict
> if that serves authors.
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> I am opposed to adding things like 'EventLongerThan1Year'. These are time
> periods (or eras if we'd rather). We can add an 'approximateStartDate' and
> 'approximateEndDate' to allow for setting the length. Otherwise, the
> lengths are arbitrary and serve no purpose to put the time period in
> context.
>
> - Vicki
>
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> On Mon, Jun 18, 2018 at 10:20 PM Anthony Moretti <
> anthony.moretti@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> After looking at it more closely I think I agree with Martin, unless
>> there's general agreement on the meaning of a type it probably shouldn't be
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>> "Significance" and "importance" are relative and only mean something if
>> there is agreement on several things: the group being compared, the
>> attribute being compared, and some qualifying percentile, e.g. top 5% of
>> mountains by height, top 10% of people by name recognition, top 1% of
>> websites by views.
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>> Particularly about events though, maybe duration is an interesting
>> attribute, quite long events becoming named periods of history. With the
>> following types as a partial example, you could look for archaeological
>> events longer than a certain duration, and the results might possibly be
>> common named periods of archaeology.
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>> *Event    AnthropologicalEvent    ArchaeologicalEvent    ArmedConflict
>>   CosmologicalEvent    GeologicalEvent    PoliticalEvent    ReligiousEvent
>>   EventLongerThan1Year        EventLongerThan10Years
>>   EventLongerThan100Years                EventLongerThan1000Years
>>           EventLongerThan10000Years
>>   EventLongerThan100000Years
>>   EventLongerThan1000000Years
>>   EventLongerThan10000000Years
>>   EventLongerThan100000000Years
>>   EventLongerThan1000000000Years
>>   EventLongerThan10000000000Years*
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>> (These duration categories cover the age of the universe.)
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>> Could this be a solution to classifying and finding "historically
>> significant" events?
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>> Anthony
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>> On Mon, Jun 18, 2018 at 4:22 PM <Simon.Cox@csiro.au> wrote:
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>>> Does it have a name? If so, it is ‘significant’. That’s about it really.
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>>> *From:* Thad Guidry [mailto:thadguidry@gmail.com]
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, 19 June, 2018 03:42
>>> *To:* Muri, Allison <allison.muri@usask.ca>
>>> *Cc:* Richard Wallis <richard.wallis@dataliberate.com>; Anthony Moretti
>>> <anthony.moretti@gmail.com>; Cox, Simon (L&W, Clayton)
>>> <Simon.Cox@csiro.au>; schema.org Mailing List <public-schemaorg@w3.org>
>>> *Subject:* Re: Historical events
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>>> Allison,
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>>> Does it help to think this way ?
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>>> *A Significant* - some Thing of importance to someone or some group.
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>>> A Significant Other - some Person of importance to another Person.
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>>> Historical*Significant* - some Thing that has *historical* importance
>>> to someone or some group.
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>>> -Thad
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