Re: Vocabulary for Article

Niels,

As far as Opinionated Articles, you can use
https://schema.org/articleSection or just use
https://schema.org/additionalType <https://additionalType> and do the
following, as many now do:

{
    "@context": "http://schema.org",
    "@type": "Article",




*    "articleSection": {        "sameAs":
"https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q2602337
<https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q2602337>",        "@type": "Text",
"name": "Opinion Editorial"    },*
    "author": "John Doe",
    "name": "How to Tie a Reef Knot"
}


{
    "@context": "http://schema.org",
    "@type": "Article",
*    "additionalType":"https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q2602337
<https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q2602337>",*
    "author": "John Doe",
    "name": "How to Tie a Reef Knot"
}

Hope this helps,


On Mon, Aug 6, 2018 at 1:04 PM Thad Guidry <thadguidry@gmail.com> wrote:

> We already have support for the following:
>
> A dictionary term:  https://pending.schema.org/DefinedTerm
> An encyclopedia entry (when referring to an entry in the context of within
> the pages of a book or volume form) https://schema.org/Thing or
> https://pending.schema.org/DefinedTerm
>
> However, as now many encyclopedia are in online form, each Online Entry (*Articles
> written to describe a Thing or DefinedTerm*) in an encyclopedia should be
> considered an Article https://schema.org/Article because that is in fact
> how nearly all of them treat their entries now:
> https://www.britannica.com/topic/United-Nations
> https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/foreclosure
>
> Where each Article can have an author, alternativeHeadline, articleBody,
> pageStart, pageEnd, pagination, contributors, etc.
>
> But as I said earlier, if I were writing a blog or article and wanted to
> mention a particular entry in an book or volume form ecyclopedia, I would
> probably wrap that with DefinedTerm and treat the book or volume form
> encyclopedia as a https://schema.org/CreativeWork as well as probably a
> https://pending.schema.org/DefinedTermSet
>
> Hope this helps clarify a bit more,
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 6, 2018 at 6:13 AM Michael Andrews <nextcontent01@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I don't see anything in the definition of Article to suggest an article
>> must be 'objective'. Entire magazines are composed of commentary, which is
>> perfectly fine. Article covers all types, not just 'news'.  Even the
>> definition of NewsArticle allows interpretative content.
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 6, 2018, 4:14 PM Niels <nielsl@xs4all.nl> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> That is a goid question Laura. Wikipedia, and its predicesser nunpedia,
>>> are a very special sort of project, aiming to be a collection of entries by
>>> anyone who has sonething useful to add. Such thing already has a name. A
>>> wiki. I think it may very well be debated is a wiki page should be seen as
>>> an article. I personally dont think a wiki page is a type article.
>>>
>>> A normal encyclopidia has a publisher and a (number of) author(s). Such
>>> os much closer to an article.
>>>
>>>
>>> Hans Polak points out a newsarticle should not be confused with an
>>> opinated article. News is unopiniated, objective. I agree with him. The
>>> issue is not with calling such work an article, the issue is with the word
>>> news, which is these days used for pretty much anything.
>>>
>>> An article telling us that the cat whom has been stuck in a tree has
>>> finally been resqued is news. It tells us something new, something we did
>>> not know yet, as its main intent.
>>> An article explaining how high cats can climb and from what hight they
>>> can usually jump, is not news, but is backgroud.
>>> An article telling us that the cat was stupid to climb in such a high
>>> tree is not news, but is an opiniated article.
>>>
>>> This is all quite obvious, but some news agencies seem to ignor these
>>> distinctions, likely because news sells, and it sells better than bacground
>>> stories or opinions. Calling it news sells better.
>>> But dont let that push you away from the fact that news articles are
>>> objective in nature, and for now you can mark up encyclopedia entries as
>>> newsarticle to imply objective information.
>>>
>>>
>>> "The fact that some newspapers taint their news coverage with their
>>> political preferences is lamentable, but they're not per definition
>>> subjective."
>>> They are not subjective,but they are opiniated. They are not simply
>>> factual reporting of events. A distinction between an objective report and
>>> an opiniated article should be made clear by the publisher. The vocab
>>> should at least accomodate the posibility of making that distinction.
>>>
>>> I hope the vocab can be extended to make a seperate type available for
>>> wiki's.
>>>
>>> As for the word news being abused, that is a debate society is finally
>>> about to have, now that the term fake news has come about. We will probably
>>> start seeing news agencies reinventing the name of the articles they sell
>>> to distinct themselfs from less objective compeditors. This is an issue
>>> much bigger than just the schema.org vocab.
>>>
>>> What we could do in schema.org is adjust the description of news
>>> article, to very clearly state that with newsarticle wemean an objective
>>> reporting of news. If it is not objective, it should be marked as opiniated
>>> article instead. That way it is atleast made very clear to anyone using the
>>> vocab that marking opinated articles as news is faulty use of the vocab.
>>>
>>> Hope that helps.
>>> Kind regards,
>>> Niels Lancel
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On August 6, 2018 11:36:02 AM GMT+02:00, Hans Polak <info@polak.es>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Good morning,
>>>>
>>>> I'd say that (ideally) newspaper articles are objective. Opinion pieces
>>>> are not newspaper articles.
>>>>
>>>> The fact that some newspapers taint their news coverage with their
>>>> political preferences is lamentable, but they're not per definition
>>>> subjective.
>>>>
>>>> On the other hand, adding "encyclopedic entries" to the description is
>>>> an excellent idea.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Hans
>>>>
>>>> On 06/08/18 07:31, Laura Morales wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "Article" is defined as "An article, such as a news article or piece of investigative report. Newspapers and magazines have articles of many different types and this is intended to cover them all."
>>>>
>>>> Would this be appropriate to identify articles such as encyclopedic entries? For example a Wikipedia article? The current definition seems to suggest that an article is some kind of work with a subjective point of view, for example a newspaper or magazine article. What can I use instead to identify an article which is objective and does not contain personal opinions, for example an encyclopedia's article?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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