Re: Third sector services extension?

Thanks Richard - exactly the info I was after.

If anyone else knows of others doing similar/overlapping projects please do
point them in our direction :-) We'll be getting a plan together from here
and then talking more at the next ODCamp (November 2016, Cardiff)

On 23 August 2016 at 11:12, Richard Wallis <richard.wallis@dataliberate.com>
wrote:

> Hi Jen,
>
> A few comments on your questions:
>
>    - For guidance on working with current vocabulary and extensions,  how
>    you would define extensions and some of the decisions you need to make I
>    would recommend my “Schema.org in Practice” blog post series part 1
>    <http://dataliberate.com/2016/02/10/evolving-schema-org-in-practice-pt1-the-bits-and-pieces/>,
>    2
>    <http://dataliberate.com/2016/02/25/evolving-schema-org-in-practice-pt2-working-within-the-vocabulary/>,
>    and 3
>    <http://dataliberate.com/2016/03/01/evolving-schema-org-in-practice-pt3-choosing-where-to-extend/>
>    .
>
>    - For an overview of how the community works and the vocabulary
>    evolves, I would recommend the “How We Work” page
>    <http://schema.org/docs/howwework.html> of the documentation.
>
>    - As to groups, my experience is that an open group, with members that
>    do not have to be members of a particular other group, work well.  See Schema
>    Bib Extend <https://www.w3.org/community/schemabibex/>, Automotive
>    Ontology Group <https://www.w3.org/community/gao/>, and Schema Course
>    Extension <https://www.w3.org/community/schema-course-extend/> as
>    examples.  It does not have to be a W3C Community Group as all these are,
>    but these work well and reflect the cross-sector nature of such discussions.
>
>    - Commercial / non-commercial is not really a major factor, it is
>    about an engaged group of people making well thought through proposals that
>    not only reflect the needs of their community but also how they interact
>    with other sectors, and build on what is already established.
>
>    Accompanying such proposals with real world use cases (current sites
>    that would benefit) and examples that are spread across the web, preferably
>    plus offers from site owners willing to apply what is proposed, all help
>    towards a recognition of need, and benefit from the rest of the Schema.org
>    community when considering the details of a proposal.
>
> Hope that helps.
>
> ~Richard.
>
> Richard Wallis
> Founder, Data Liberate
> http://dataliberate.com
> Linkedin: http://www.linkedin.com/in/richardwallis
> Twitter: @rjw
>
> On 23 August 2016 at 09:32, Jen Williams <jen@networkedplanet.com> wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the info, good to know any history. I see there's an issue on
>> github concerning types of organisation (https://github.com/schemaorg/
>> schemaorg/issues/425) though my focus is on describing types of services
>> offered by organisations (regardless of whether they are NGOs, Government
>> or community groups)
>>
>> There's also an interesting project called Open VCS, but again this is to
>> describe VCS organisation details (http://openvcs.github.io/).
>>
>> What would be the best way to proceed in researching how to come up with
>> a viable extension for schema.org? Is there a formal submission process
>> and guidelines?
>>
>> We have a small group gathering but I've not yet started a real push for
>> numbers as I wanted to know the best way to proceed first. I'm sure that
>> commercially driven extensions will always gain more traction than
>> non-commercial, but the benefits of higher quality search results to people
>> who need to find services offered by Not For Profits could really make a
>> difference.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 22 August 2016 at 19:46, Vicki Tardif Holland <vtardif@google.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> A few years ago, we added http://schema.org/GovernmentService. We hoped
>>> to eventually cover NGO's as well, but the original schema never got much
>>> traction, so it fell by the wayside.
>>>
>>> - Vicki
>>>
>>> On Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 8:24 AM, Jen Williams <jen@networkedplanet.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi schema.org community,
>>>>
>>>> Recently at Barcamp Nonprofits (http://barcampnonprofits.com/) we had
>>>> a session on making services discoverable, which had grown out of previous
>>>> discussions from the unconference scene in the UK (Open Data Camp and VCSS
>>>> Camp). Obviously schema.org came up as part of that discussion.
>>>>
>>>> What we'd like to know is whether anyone is spearheading the creation
>>>> of a schema.org extension for describing the services provided by
>>>> third (voluntary) sector organisations. If no one is, what's the best way
>>>> to get one started?
>>>>
>>>> It sounds like this might overlap with some of the work done by the
>>>> Open Referral project over in the US (the Open Eligibility project
>>>> certainly is a great taxonomy to use as a starting point) and our first
>>>> step of course is to make sure that work isn't being duplicated while at
>>>> the same time providing terms and descriptions for NFP services that go
>>>> beyond the human services focused on in the Open Referral project (e.g.
>>>> environmental and so on).
>>>>
>>>> Can anyone give more info on whether this has been or is being looked
>>>> into by schema.org? If so, what's the history and progress? We'd like
>>>> to lend our time and support to extending schema.org coverage of the
>>>> voluntary sector.
>>>>
>>>> Many thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Jen
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Jen Williams*
>>>> *Networked Planet Ltd*
>>>> http://www.networkedplanet.com
>>>> http://www.twitter.com/nwplanet
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>> *Jen Williams*
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>> http://www.networkedplanet.com
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>>
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>>
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