RE: Comics and periodicals in schema.org (was Re: journal article for next call?)

>> For many years libraries used the rule that if a periodical changed title it became a "new" or "different" periodical for purposes of cataloging, even if the numbering was continuous.
This is how we treat them in our data model.  We have a "Preceded by" and "followed by" data point which links them to logical predecessor and successor series.

 - peter

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From: Karen Coyle [mailto:kcoyle@kcoyle.net] 
Sent: Friday, December 06, 2013 9:58 AM
To: Dan Scott; Olson, Peter
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Subject: Re: Comics and periodicals in schema.org (was Re: journal article for next call?)



On 12/5/13 9:54 PM, Dan Scott wrote:

>> Another example - over the years we published a series of Comic Series in which the titles changed but the numbering was continuous: X-Men -> New X-Men  -> X-Men -> X-Men Legacy -> X-Men (again see the talk, which lists out a few more examples).  Under the definition in the proposal each distinct title would be a distinct Comic, correct?
>
> Fascinating! Yes, I think each title would be a distinct Comic in that 
> case. Maybe we'll need some sort of relatedWork mechanism sooner 
> rather than later after all. From http://docs.comics.org/wiki/Tracking

> it looks like "Continues from" / "Continues in" covers the 
> relationships that comics.org cares about, although it carries series 
> name, publisher, and date with each relationship.

For many years libraries used the rule that if a periodical changed title it became a "new" or "different" periodical for purposes of cataloging, even if the numbering was continuous. The reason for that was that it was assumed that users would look under a specific title and therefore expected to find that title in the catalog. This is being re-thought (finally) because periodicals tend to change titles for purposes of marketing even when the subject matter does not change. 
(Sound familiar? :-)). Such title changes were so annoying that the serials catalogers named their own professional journal "Title Varies."

I hope we haven't veered away from mark-up and into cataloging. Markup should mark up what is on the page, however the page creator wishes it. 
I would place any *decisions* about description of things outside of schema.org. Flexibility is what is needed.

kc





>
> How would that have been handled in the original proposal: separate 
> ComicSeries for each title change, I guess?
>
>> Comic Stories - because stories can be and are reprinted, the original comic issue in which they appeared should probably be identified in the schema.  For example, the Spider-Man origin story has been reprinted hundreds of times, but it's always "from" Amazing Fantasy #15.
>
> That sounds very reasonable; so something like an 
> "originallyPublishedIn" property that should only be used if there are 
> more than one "partOfComicIssue" / "partOfPeriodicalIssue" properties, 
> to identify the ur-comic (or periodical, as that could be useful for 
> non-comic articles as well)?
>
>> It might be worthwhile looking at the comics.org schema as well: 
>> http://docs.comics.org/wiki/Current_Schema

>
> As someone who cut his first-career teeth developing a relational 
> database for 8 years, *yes*, it's always worthwhile looking at 
> database schemas (I will pretend that I'm not seeing the "recalculated 
> by code on data updates" statements) :)
>
> Hey, there is a "Story" table in the schema. That makes me feel better 
> about having a ComicStory type, then!
>
> Many thanks again for your contributions, Peter!
>
> Dan
>
>

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