- From: Phil Barker <phil.barker@hw.ac.uk>
- Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2016 11:23:13 +0000
- To: Richard Wallis <richard.wallis@dataliberate.com>
- Cc: Wes Turner <wes.turner@gmail.com>, public-schema-course-extend@w3.org
- Message-ID: <56D97021.8090202@hw.ac.uk>
On 04/03/2016 10:56, Richard Wallis wrote: > The proposed External Enumerations Issue (#894 > <https://github.com/schemaorg/schemaorg/issues/894>) - Pull request > (#924 <https://github.com/schemaorg/schemaorg/pull/924>) - may help > with describing a set of values for courseMode. > > The key question being where, reliable and hopefully authoritative, > would these be hosted? > I have asked colleagues in the DCMI-LRMI Task Group [1] whether they would provide the channel for these being hosted as part of that work. They already have work in progress doing similar for some of the controlled vocabularies used in LRMI, so technically I think there is no problem. I think the onus would definitely be on this group to develop the term set and definitions. I'll let you know if my colleagues there agree that this is something the LRMI Task Group should do. Phil 1. http://wiki.dublincore.org/index.php/AB-Comm/ed/LRMI/TG > And yes you are right, many will probably just provide a text value. > > ~Richard > > On 4 March 2016 at 10:47, Phil Barker <phil.barker@hw.ac.uk > <mailto:phil.barker@hw.ac.uk>> wrote: > > > I'ld like to go further than URIs and have the URIs resolve to > some useful information (e.g. in SKOS), and I would like to be > able to use Richards proposed EnumerationValue [1]. This would > allow us to provide a meaningful URL and a textual value as a name. > > I suspect that the list of courseModes is finite but longer than > the list we have at the moment. I also suspect that people will > want to use local values as well as the core 'required' set. > Finally I suspect that whatever we specify many people will just > provide a text value. > > Going beyond a list of suggested text values may require some > effort and discussion. There is a wiki page for how to specify > mode of study or delivery, I invite anyone interested to edit it > to provide definitions and add any values that may be missing. We > can discuss any issues in this thread. > > Phil > > 1. https://github.com/schemaorg/schemaorg/issues/894 > > > On 03/03/2016 21:50, Richard Wallis wrote: >> I agree it would be good to use URIs to add some consistency. >> >> Potentially we could define an Enumeration set for these - >> online, face-to-face, MOOC, distance learning, part-time, >> full-time - That isif that that is the finite list. >> Alternatively if those values are already defined somewhere with >> canonical URIs we could recommend their use and show them in >> examples. >> >> As to ‘requiring’ them, that is probably to constraining for >> Schema.org. >> >> ~Richard. >> >> Richard Wallis >> Founder, Data Liberate >> http://dataliberate.com >> Linkedin: http://www.linkedin.com/in/richardwallis >> >> Twitter: @rjw > > On 3 March 2016 at 18:54, Wes Turner <wes.turner@gmail.com > <mailto:wes.turner@gmail.com>> wrote: > > I'll be the person to suggest that we should require URIs here. > > There will probably be translations (rdfs:label@en in > MediaWiki RDFa?), so I think consistent URIs would be > preferable. (because i believe Text fields to be less likely > to work consistently with faceting) > > On Mar 3, 2016 11:14 AM, "Phil Barker" <phil.barker@hw.ac.uk > <mailto:phil.barker@hw.ac.uk>> wrote: > > Hello, > I have modified the wiki page for this to reflect the > Course/CourseInstance naming > https://www.w3.org/community/schema-course-extend/wiki/Mode_of_study_or_delivery > > There is a requirement to be able to identify the mode > of study which arises from the use case 1.6 (2.6, 9.6) > "where the searcher is concerned about the means of > delivery, e.g. wants to take a MOOC, wants to study at > home by distance learning, study online, study > face-to-face." > > So: > > > *courseMode*, a property of CourseInstance with > expected type: text > > definition: The medium or means of delivery of the > course, or the mode of study. > > Suggested values: online, face-to-face, MOOC, distance > learning, part-time, full-time > > > Any objections? > > I think there are some terms in CEDS that we could include > as suggested values, see > https://ceds.ed.gov/element/001161 (Thanks Jim) > > Phil > > > On 24/02/2016 14:58, Phil Barker wrote: > > I hope this is a fairly straightforward use case > requirement to deal with. > > There is a requirement to be able to identify the mode > of study which arises from the use case 1.6 (2.6, 9.6) > "where the searcher is concerned about the means of > delivery, e.g. wants to take a MOOC, wants to study at > home by distance learning, study online, study > face-to-face." > > Currently the closest property in the proposal is the > isVirtual indicator, which I think there was agreement > needed broadening. > > It is often difficult to separate mode of study from > mode of course delivery, e.g. a course is delivered > online for students who study online. > > Sometimes though there is a form of course delivery > that really needs to be highlighted. I think that > MOOCs are an example of this. We want people to be > able to identify courses delivered as MOOCs directly, > without faffing around with a combination of cost, > enrolment requirements and being online. > > How about: > courseMode a property of CourseOffering > definition: the medium of means of delivery of the > course or the mode of study. A CourseOffering may be a > blend of different modes, e.g. face-to-face and online. > expected type: text (*) > Suggested values: online, face-to-face, MOOC, distance > learning, part-time, full-time > > (* this is a prime candidate for external enumerations > with the suggested values as a default enumeration) > > Phil > > > -- > Phil Barker @philbarker > LRMI, Cetis, ICBL http://people.pjjk.net/phil > Heriot-Watt University > > Workflow: http://www.icbl.hw.ac.uk/~philb/workflow/ > <http://www.icbl.hw.ac.uk/%7Ephilb/workflow/> > > > > ----- We invite research leaders and ambitious early > career researchers to join us in leading and driving > research in key inter-disciplinary themes. 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