Re: schema-course-extend: credential or award offered through course.

A big +1

On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 11:51 AM, Phil Barker <phil.barker@hw.ac.uk> wrote:

>
> In the long run you may be right, Wes. However, my proposal is that we
> don't need to do credentials in order to describe Course. We can, and
> should, leave that to people who know more about credentials, as a separate
> effort. We don't need to wait for that, we can add in what works for now,
> and improve later.
>
> Phil
>
> On 20/06/16 18:49, Wes Turner wrote:
>
>> P: educationalCredentialAwarded
>> d: Course
>> r: {Text, Thing}
>>
>> Should this be
>>
>> P: credentialAwarded
>> d:
>> r: {Credential, CredentialInstance}
>>
>> P: educationalCredentialAwarded  (subPropertyOf) credentialAwarded
>> d: Course
>> r: {EducationalCredential, CredentialInstance}
>>
>> ...
>>
>> Credential > EducationalCredential > Degree
>> Credential > EducationalCredential > Degree > BachelorDegree
>> Credential > EducationalCredential > Certificate
>> Credential > EducationalCredential > Certification
>> Credential > EducationalCredential > Badge > OpenBadge
>> Credential > EducationalCredential > Badge > cert-schema (OpenBadge +
>> blockchain)
>>
>> *Are there instances where e.g. Certificate, Certification, and Badge*
>> *are not EducationalCredentials*
>> *(just regular Credentials)?*
>>
>> So,
>> EducationalCredential may be more useful as an annotation class?
>>
>> CTI models this as credType, which requires a WHERE _ IN query to list
>> things of this type (because there's no expansions of class lineage without
>> Enumerated classes which are a subClassOf e.g. Credential or
>> EducationalCredential or Degree or Certificate):
>> *
>> https://github.com/schemaorg/schemaorg/issues/195#issuecomment-222379559
>>
>> Scope justification:
>> -
>> https://github.com/schemaorg/schemaorg/issues/195#issuecomment-223663304
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 8:05 AM, Phil Barker <phil.barker@hw.ac.uk
>> <mailto:phil.barker@hw.ac.uk>> wrote:
>>
>>     On 20/06/16 12:26, Dan Brickley wrote:
>>
>>         On 17 June 2016 at 17:32, Steve Midgley
>>         <steve@learningtapestry.com
>>         <mailto:steve@learningtapestry.com>> wrote:
>>
>>             I agree that credential has many meanings across
>>             industries. I agree we
>>             should try to find a term that unambiguously locates this
>>             credential as
>>             educational. So, being a frequent simpleton, I'll suggest
>>             "educationalCredential"
>>
>>         This is an improvement.
>>
>>         A friend I was talking to over the weekend suggested using the
>>         related
>>         term "accreditation". How does that sound to this community? To my
>>         ears it has all the right associations, and is much less
>>         evocative of
>>         lower-level technical notions of credential...
>>
>>         Dan
>>
>>     OK. As property name I am going to suggest
>>     educationalCredentialAwarded because we might in the future want
>>     EducationalCredential as a class name.
>>
>>     So, my proposal is that in order to meet the use case that people
>>     can search for courses that offers a qualification the searcher
>>     would like to acquire we create a new property
>>
>>     educationalCredentialAwarded domain Course, range Text or Thing.
>>     Definition: a description of the qualification, award,
>>     certificate, diploma or other educational credential awarded as a
>>     consequence of successful completion of this course.
>>
>>     When the educational credentials/verifiable claims community have
>>     sorted out how they want to describe their domain in schema.org
>>     <http://schema.org> then I hope we will have some more specific
>>     schema type(s) that we can point to, but for now this seems to me
>>     to be good enough to solve the use case. Solving the bigger issue
>>     seems beyond the scope of this community group.
>>
>>
>>     Phil
>>
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>>     Phil Barker           @philbarker
>>     LRMI, Cetis, ICBL http://people.pjjk.net/phil
>>     Heriot-Watt University
>>
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>>
>>
>>
>>
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> Phil Barker           @philbarker
> LRMI, Cetis, ICBL     http://people.pjjk.net/phil
> Heriot-Watt University
>
> Ubuntu: http://xkcd.com/456/
>   not so much an operating system as a learning opportunity.
>
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