- From: Kingsley Idehen <kidehen@openlinksw.com>
- Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2017 12:27:05 -0400
- To: public-rww@w3.org
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On 4/11/17 10:37 AM, Melvin Carvalho wrote:
>
>
> On 11 April 2017 at 16:22, Kingsley Idehen <kidehen@openlinksw.com
> <mailto:kidehen@openlinksw.com>> wrote:
>
> On 4/10/17 7:57 PM, Brent Shambaugh wrote:
> > I might have to expand the Wikipedia page. In general the linked W3C
> > pages mention implementations, and describe the standard, but they
> > don't get into where it comes from and why it mattered. The
> whole ALM
> > discussion of Arnaud J Le Hors is fascinating. SOLiD and its
> > connection between WebID, LDP, and efforts to re-decentralize the
> > social web are also not mentioned (I don't know the line between
> > promotion, adoption, etc. is).
> > -Brent Shambaugh
>
> Great points.
>
> W3C specs tend to focus on the technical side of things. Conceptual
> what, why, and how's are scant. Sadly, therein lies a massive void
> that
> inevitably affects adoptions. Organizations can't justify investing in
> what they don't understand.
>
> Quick Breakdown:
>
> WebID -- HTTP URI that Identifies Agents (People, Organizations,
> Software)
> WebID-Profile -- Document that describes an Agent identified by a
> WebID
> WebID+TLS Protocol -- Protocol for authenticating WebIDs
> LDP - an RDF (using metadata serialized using RDF-Turtle or
> JSON-LD) and
> Linked Data alternative to WebDAV (metadata is serialized using
> XML) for
> Read-Write operations
> SoLiD -- The above plus some "best practices" (e.g, use of some HTTP
> custom headers and session metadata) for a decentralized
> Read-Write Web
>
>
> Excellent summary. Solid also provides access control, so it respects
> a user's privacy.
>
> It strikes me that access control is perhaps the next thing to be
> delivered in the evolution of the web.
Yes! I forgot to add WebACLs to the list above.
>
> For example search engines crawl public_html, index it, and allow it
> to be searchable. It's easy to think, this is the whole web. However
> sites like facebook allow an access controlled experience, shared with
> your roster of friends. Solid takes this concept to a new level.
WebACLs basically decouples data from access controls. Basically,
Facebook, LinkedIn etc.. don't expose such separation.
>
> The web that public search engines cant see or track is often called
> the 'dark web' but actually it's just the web that respects people's
> privacy.
I would say a dimension of the Web that's controlled by ACLs.
> A new web that is controlled by its users poses threats and
> opportunities current model.
Naturally, which amounts to Webby Tickets or Web Tickets i.e., as owner
of the data you can issue Tickets that provide temporal controls over
data access. This is also where a lot of Blockchain related effort is
happening, but we need to make said happenings webby too!
> There is a current narrative of 'dark web' and 'light? web' -- a
> better new narrative would perhaps be the 'public web' / 'shared web'
> / 'personal web'.
Methinks: Web Web Want :)
>
> The other aspect of solid is realtime updates to provide tight
> feedback loops.
Yes, which where websockets come into play while still remaining true to
the loosely-coupled nature of a decentralized web.
Links:
[1]
http://linkeddata.uriburner.com/describe/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2Fhashtag%2FTicket%23this&distinct=1
-- Ticket
[2]
http://linkeddata.uriburner.com/describe/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2Fhashtag%2FWebServiceTicket%23this&distinct=1
-- Web Service Ticket
Kingsley
>
>
>
> Kingsley
> >
> > GitHub: https://github.com/bshambaugh
> > Website: http://bshambaugh.org/
> > LinkedIN: https://www.linkedin.com/in/brent-shambaugh-9b91259
> <https://www.linkedin.com/in/brent-shambaugh-9b91259>
> > Skype: brent.shambaugh
> > Twitter: https://twitter.com/Brent_Shambaugh
> <https://twitter.com/Brent_Shambaugh>
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 6:44 PM, Brent Shambaugh
> > <brent.shambaugh@gmail.com <mailto:brent.shambaugh@gmail.com>>
> wrote:
> >> Great. Thanks. Added.
> >>
> >> Also added "Getting Started with the Linked Data Platform (LDP) –
> >> background and history during early development" to
> >>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linked_Data_Platform#External_links
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linked_Data_Platform#External_links> .
> >> It seemed early anyways.
> >> -Brent Shambaugh
> >>
> >> GitHub: https://github.com/bshambaugh
> >> Website: http://bshambaugh.org/
> >> LinkedIN: https://www.linkedin.com/in/brent-shambaugh-9b91259
> <https://www.linkedin.com/in/brent-shambaugh-9b91259>
> >> Skype: brent.shambaugh
> >> Twitter: https://twitter.com/Brent_Shambaugh
> <https://twitter.com/Brent_Shambaugh>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 5:03 PM, Kingsley Idehen
> <kidehen@openlinksw.com <mailto:kidehen@openlinksw.com>> wrote:
> >>> On 4/10/17 5:19 PM, Brent Shambaugh wrote:
> >>>> Then the Wikipedia page on WebDav must be out of date. I
> interpret LDP
> >>>> as being an alternative
> >>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebDAV#Alternatives_to_WebDAV
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebDAV#Alternatives_to_WebDAV>) .
> >>> Yes, correct!
> >>>
> >>> Kingsley
> >>>> Thanks.
> >>>> -Brent Shambaugh
> >>>>
> >>>> GitHub: https://github.com/bshambaugh
> >>>> Website: http://bshambaugh.org/
> >>>> LinkedIN: https://www.linkedin.com/in/brent-shambaugh-9b91259
> <https://www.linkedin.com/in/brent-shambaugh-9b91259>
> >>>> Skype: brent.shambaugh
> >>>> Twitter: https://twitter.com/Brent_Shambaugh
> <https://twitter.com/Brent_Shambaugh>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Fri, Apr 7, 2017 at 8:38 AM, Kingsley Idehen
> <kidehen@openlinksw.com <mailto:kidehen@openlinksw.com>> wrote:
> >>>>> On 4/6/17 6:33 PM, Brent Shambaugh wrote:
> >>>>>> Dear all,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I think this is correct? I'm going to conclude that the
> Linked Data
> >>>>>> Platform is a replacement for WebDAV with Semantic Web
> enhancements.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> http://stko.geog.ucsb.edu/sw2022/sw2022_paper3.pdf
> <http://stko.geog.ucsb.edu/sw2022/sw2022_paper3.pdf>
> >>>>>> "
> >>>>>> Several proposals exist to enable machine-writable
> structured data. For
> >>>>>> instance, Tim Berners-Lee himself proposed update protocols
> based on
> >>>>>> WebDAV or SPARQL/Update [2] and implemented them in Tabulator.
> >>>>>> Lanthaler et al. tried to obtain a read-write Web of Data
> by integrating
> >>>>>> Web APIs into it (in the form of JSON services) [6].
> Recently, W3C
> >>>>>> started a standardization activity to create a Linked Data
> Platform,
> >>>>>> with as main goal to define a RESTful way to read and write
> Linked
> >>>>>> Data [3]."
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> https://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/charter
> <https://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/charter> (LDP charter)
> >>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebDAV
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebDAV> (about WebDav)
> >>>>>> https://virtuoso.openlinksw.com/whats-new/
> <https://virtuoso.openlinksw.com/whats-new/> (mentions proxy from
> WebDav to LDP)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> -Brent Shambaugh
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> GitHub: https://github.com/bshambaugh
> >>>>>> Website: http://bshambaugh.org/
> >>>>>> LinkedIN:
> https://www.linkedin.com/in/brent-shambaugh-9b91259
> <https://www.linkedin.com/in/brent-shambaugh-9b91259>
> >>>>>> Skype: brent.shambaugh
> >>>>>> Twitter: https://twitter.com/Brent_Shambaugh
> <https://twitter.com/Brent_Shambaugh>
> >>>>> Hi Brent,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I would characterize LDP as just another protocol for Read-Write
> >>>>> operations over HTTP, rather than a replacement for WebDAV.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> LDP includes support for resource metadata represented as RDF
> >>>>> statements (serialized using RDF-Turtle or JSON-LD document
> content-types).
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> Regards,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Kingsley Idehen
> >>>>> Founder & CEO
> >>>>> OpenLink Software (Home Page: http://www.openlinksw.com)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Weblogs (Blogs):
> >>>>> Legacy Blog: http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/~kidehen/
> <http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/%7Ekidehen/>
> >>>>> Blogspot Blog: http://kidehen.blogspot.com
> >>>>> Medium Blog: https://medium.com/@kidehen
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Profile Pages:
> >>>>> Pinterest: https://www.pinterest.com/kidehen/
> <https://www.pinterest.com/kidehen/>
> >>>>> Quora: https://www.quora.com/profile/Kingsley-Uyi-Idehen
> <https://www.quora.com/profile/Kingsley-Uyi-Idehen>
> >>>>> Twitter: https://twitter.com/kidehen
> >>>>> Google+: https://plus.google.com/+KingsleyIdehen/about
> <https://plus.google.com/+KingsleyIdehen/about>
> >>>>> LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/kidehen
> <http://www.linkedin.com/in/kidehen>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Web Identities (WebID):
> >>>>> Personal:
> http://kingsley.idehen.net/dataspace/person/kidehen#this
> <http://kingsley.idehen.net/dataspace/person/kidehen#this>
> >>>>> :
> http://id.myopenlink.net/DAV/home/KingsleyUyiIdehen/Public/kingsley.ttl#this
> <http://id.myopenlink.net/DAV/home/KingsleyUyiIdehen/Public/kingsley.ttl#this>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Regards,
> >>>
> >>> Kingsley Idehen
> >>> Founder & CEO
> >>> OpenLink Software (Home Page: http://www.openlinksw.com)
> >>>
> >>> Weblogs (Blogs):
> >>> Legacy Blog: http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/~kidehen/
> <http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/%7Ekidehen/>
> >>> Blogspot Blog: http://kidehen.blogspot.com
> >>> Medium Blog: https://medium.com/@kidehen
> >>>
> >>> Profile Pages:
> >>> Pinterest: https://www.pinterest.com/kidehen/
> <https://www.pinterest.com/kidehen/>
> >>> Quora: https://www.quora.com/profile/Kingsley-Uyi-Idehen
> <https://www.quora.com/profile/Kingsley-Uyi-Idehen>
> >>> Twitter: https://twitter.com/kidehen
> >>> Google+: https://plus.google.com/+KingsleyIdehen/about
> <https://plus.google.com/+KingsleyIdehen/about>
> >>> LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/kidehen
> <http://www.linkedin.com/in/kidehen>
> >>>
> >>> Web Identities (WebID):
> >>> Personal:
> http://kingsley.idehen.net/dataspace/person/kidehen#this
> <http://kingsley.idehen.net/dataspace/person/kidehen#this>
> >>> :
> http://id.myopenlink.net/DAV/home/KingsleyUyiIdehen/Public/kingsley.ttl#this
> <http://id.myopenlink.net/DAV/home/KingsleyUyiIdehen/Public/kingsley.ttl#this>
> >>>
> >>>
> >
>
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Kingsley Idehen
> Founder & CEO
> OpenLink Software (Home Page: http://www.openlinksw.com)
>
> Weblogs (Blogs):
> Legacy Blog: http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/~kidehen/
> <http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/%7Ekidehen/>
> Blogspot Blog: http://kidehen.blogspot.com
> Medium Blog: https://medium.com/@kidehen
>
> Profile Pages:
> Pinterest: https://www.pinterest.com/kidehen/
> <https://www.pinterest.com/kidehen/>
> Quora: https://www.quora.com/profile/Kingsley-Uyi-Idehen
> <https://www.quora.com/profile/Kingsley-Uyi-Idehen>
> Twitter: https://twitter.com/kidehen
> Google+: https://plus.google.com/+KingsleyIdehen/about
> <https://plus.google.com/+KingsleyIdehen/about>
> LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/kidehen
> <http://www.linkedin.com/in/kidehen>
>
> Web Identities (WebID):
> Personal: http://kingsley.idehen.net/dataspace/person/kidehen#this
> <http://kingsley.idehen.net/dataspace/person/kidehen#this>
> :
> http://id.myopenlink.net/DAV/home/KingsleyUyiIdehen/Public/kingsley.ttl#this
> <http://id.myopenlink.net/DAV/home/KingsleyUyiIdehen/Public/kingsley.ttl#this>
>
>
>
--
Regards,
Kingsley Idehen
Founder & CEO
OpenLink Software (Home Page: http://www.openlinksw.com)
Weblogs (Blogs):
Legacy Blog: http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/~kidehen/
Blogspot Blog: http://kidehen.blogspot.com
Medium Blog: https://medium.com/@kidehen
Profile Pages:
Pinterest: https://www.pinterest.com/kidehen/
Quora: https://www.quora.com/profile/Kingsley-Uyi-Idehen
Twitter: https://twitter.com/kidehen
Google+: https://plus.google.com/+KingsleyIdehen/about
LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/kidehen
Web Identities (WebID):
Personal: http://kingsley.idehen.net/dataspace/person/kidehen#this
: http://id.myopenlink.net/DAV/home/KingsleyUyiIdehen/Public/kingsley.ttl#this
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