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Re: Interesting Identity & Privacy Presentation

From: Melvin Carvalho <melvincarvalho@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 19:50:03 +0100
Message-ID: <CAKaEYhLHb3TqvoKDoa_jQQ+pHdTmV0aNHnfLmTUpg2BnLR31xQ@mail.gmail.com>
To: Kingsley Idehen <kidehen@openlinksw.com>
Cc: Markus Sabadello <markus.sabadello@gmail.com>, "public-webid@w3.org" <public-webid@w3.org>, "public-rww@w3.org" <public-rww@w3.org>
On 8 November 2012 19:05, Kingsley Idehen <kidehen@openlinksw.com> wrote:

>  On 11/8/12 12:16 PM, Markus Sabadello wrote:
>
> Kaliya has been running the semi-annual Internet Identity Workshop<http://internetidentityworkshop.com/>for a long time.
> At each of these workshops, at least one person typically comes up with a
> session titled "What is Identity" or similar.
> Also at each of these workshops, there are always LOTS of sessions on
> (very diverse) technical approaches to "do identity" on the Internet.
> So over the years, Kaliya's been exposed to many different ways of
> thinking about online identity, on the business, legal and technical levels.
>
>  If you want to "drill down into the details" and "build systems that
> have consistent behaviour", then that's valuable, but you immediately
> commit yourself to certain assumptions which not everybody would agree with.
> E.g. you may commit to a worldview that all online identity things are
> best done with Linked Data and WebID, which is great, because it's so
> tightly based on core web principles, and decentralized, and etc.
> But it's not the only way to do identity online, over the years there have
> been so many different approaches.
>
>  So I believe Kaliya's intention behind this presentation was indeed to
> remain on a high enough level to still say interesting things about
> identity on the Internet, without making commitments to any specific "this
> is how you do it".
>
>
> Yes, in a nutshell. We have to establish high level concepts before elving
> into implementation details. Whenever aforementioned sequence back to
> front, we simply end up with yet another unintended and utterly distracting
> war around implementations details.
>
> The concept of identity is just that, a concept. It transcends platforms.
>

I think this makes sense.

You can talk about high level without drilling into the details.

But it's harder to talk about the details without describing the high level.

In a perfect world you can connect on both levels.

Identity on the web will ineluctably come down to a string of characters
used to identify someone, or something.  The alignment of web scale
identity is about the way that string of characters is transformed across
context (if at all).


>
> Kingsley
>
>
>  Markus
>
> On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 1:13 AM, Melvin Carvalho <melvincarvalho@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>  On 7 November 2012 23:39, Kingsley Idehen <kidehen@openlinksw.com>wrote:
>>
>>>  On 11/7/12 5:19 PM, Melvin Carvalho wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 7 November 2012 22:55, Kingsley Idehen <kidehen@openlinksw.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> All,
>>>>
>>>> FYI:
>>>> http://www.slideshare.net/Kaliya/identity-and-context-people-and-personal-data.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yes excellent presentation.
>>>
>>> Still slightly difficult to nail down what is meant by identity.
>>>
>>>
>>>  Identity is a moniker for nebulous entities like "You" :-)
>>>
>>> An identifier denotes an entity.
>>>
>>> A document can describe an identity via content (e.g., an RDF graph
>>> pictorial) where attribute=value pairs coalesce around the description
>>> subject's identifier i.e., what you see in a FOAF based profile document.
>>>
>>
>> Sure, but what I meant that the presentation is well put together, but
>> high level stuff.  You need to drill down into the details to build systems
>> that have consistent behaviour, which was what I found slightly missing
>> from the slides.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Kingsley
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Kingsley Idehen
>>>> Founder & CEO
>>>> OpenLink Software
>>>> Company Web: http://www.openlinksw.com
>>>> Personal Weblog: http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/~kidehen
>>>> Twitter/Identi.ca handle: @kidehen
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>>>> LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/kidehen
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Kingsley Idehen	
>>> Founder & CEO
>>> OpenLink Software
>>> Company Web: http://www.openlinksw.com
>>> Personal Weblog: http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/~kidehen
>>> Twitter/Identi.ca handle: @kidehen
>>> Google+ Profile: https://plus.google.com/112399767740508618350/about
>>> LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/kidehen
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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> --
>
> Regards,
>
> Kingsley Idehen	
> Founder & CEO
> OpenLink Software
> Company Web: http://www.openlinksw.com
> Personal Weblog: http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/~kidehen
> Twitter/Identi.ca handle: @kidehen
> Google+ Profile: https://plus.google.com/112399767740508618350/about
> LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/kidehen
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