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Re: Proposal: Web Federation Protocol

From: Henry Story <henry.story@bblfish.net>
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2012 16:14:09 +0200
Cc: Melvin Carvalho <melvincarvalho@gmail.com>, public-rww <public-rww@w3.org>
Message-Id: <A85D167E-00A9-49BD-B826-C899E1381ED3@bblfish.net>
To: Michiel de Jong <michiel@unhosted.org>

On 2 Jul 2012, at 06:02, Michiel de Jong wrote:

> Great idea!
> 
> fwiw, when people talk about federation, they usually mean setting up
> application-specific decentralized hosting with server-to-server
> messaging.
> 
> When you say 'the hyperlink solves this' i think you're talking at too
> low a level, i think it's more accurate to say 'Indie Web + rww +
> linked data solves it'.
> 
> About pingback, i don't understand exactly what it does, but i think
> it is based on client-side certificates, so it can never replace
> OStatus or Wave, which are able to function without the need for such
> per-device state. So I think it should be considered a niche solution
> within the web, just like PGP is a niche solution (and not for that
> less valuable) within SMTP.

Pingback does not require WebID
http://bblfish.net/tmp/2011/05/09/

> 
> Having said that, if people start owning their own rww servers, and we
> add some sort of real-time messaging to that, then i think on top of
> that combination you could basically build the same things as both
> OStatus and Apache Wave.
> 
> 
> On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 12:35 AM, Melvin Carvalho
> <melvincarvalho@gmail.com> wrote:
>> There seems to be a few 'Federation' Protocols out there.
>> 
>> Two of which are:
>> 
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OStatus
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Wave_Federation_Protocol
>> 
>> Much of the discussion that goes on today in various project is oriented
>> around how it's possible to make heterogeneous systems Federate.
>> 
>> So I was thinking about proposing working on a document something along the
>> lines of:
>> 
>> 'The Web Federation Protocol'
>> 
>> The document could contain some of the "deceptively simple" federation
>> protocols that we have working in the wild, such as linked data and
>> pingback.  In particular, if we can get others to implement pingback (which
>> is normally less than a day's work), we can quickly develop an internet wide
>> messaging system.
>> 
>> Some of you might think, 'that's missing the point the Web is already
>> federated via the URI (hyperlink) ', and there's certainly plenty of
>> evidence to support this.
>> 
>> However, to date I'm not sure there exists a very good explanation, for
>> those that are trying to get a better understanding of the Web.
>> 
>> Maybe we could put together a narrative, primer, or wiki article, to show
>> how the Read Write Web is already federated, and how it's possible to take
>> advantage, embrace and extend?
>> 
>> Good idea / Bad idea ... any thoughts?
> 

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