RE: CAPTCHA: Should we illustrate our document?

To the RQTF

This is a great idea. It’d be particularly good to have examples of a traditional CAPTCHA and a reCAPTCHA v2.

Scott.


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From: Noble, Stephen <steve.noble@pearson.com>
Sent: Thursday, 20 June 2019 11:44 PM
To: Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net>
Cc: RQTF <public-rqtf@w3.org>
Subject: Re: CAPTCHA: Should we illustrate our document?

Janina,

Let me look over this later today and get back to you with suggestions on which ones to use and where. I'll be tied up with other things for the next few hours.

--Steve

On Thu, Jun 20, 2019 at 11:19 AM Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net<mailto:janina@rednote.net>> wrote:
Hi, Steve:

As I continue to mull the process implications, I'm now thinking this is
editorial in the extreme, so arguably no impact on our CfC.  We're not
changing the substance of what we say, just amplifying how we say things.  But, I'll
check with Michael.

It would be good to get these images into the Editor's Draft, which will
be the basis of the document we publish for wide review. The Editor's
Draft is already newer than the draft pointed to by the CfC because we
merged your bibliographic references this morning.

If you have the time to suggest where in the text we might stick any of
the images that Jennie suggests, I can add them. Also, any other image
or aural files you might want to suggest would be OK--we just need to be
careful of the copyright.

Thanks for the quick response!

Janina

PS: I like the notion of pointing to a sound captcha, if we can find one.


Noble, Stephen writes:
> Hi Janina,
>
> I think a few choice examples could be useful for some readers, and would
> not detract from textual discussion. That may also be true for an example
> of an audio CAPTCHA, although it might be simpler to include a link to an
> external site somewhere that has such examples.
>
> So, how would adding such examples impact the current CfC? Does that slow
> things down and require yet another CfC after the additions?
>
> --Steve
>
> On Thu, Jun 20, 2019 at 10:30 AM Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net<mailto:janina@rednote.net>> wrote:
>
> > Hi, Steve, All:
> >
> >
> > Below are some images that may, or may not help us make our points in
> > the CAPTCHA document. Setting aside for the moment the process problem
> > that we're currently in the midst of a CfC, do these add materially to
> > our argument?
> >
> > In other words should we incorporate these images, any of them? If so,
> > Steve, can you help figure out where in the document.
> >
> > If RQTF believes adding illustrations of our points helps our case, I
> > will figure out how to manage the process problem. I should note that I
> > did ask Jennie about possibly illustrating CAPTCHA with images that were
> > licensed in way that would allow us to use them.
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Janina
> >
> > Delisi, Jennie (MNIT) writes:
> > > Hi Janina,
> > > Sorry for the delay getting to you. It appears that my contacts here are
> > quite busy with other tasks, so I did a bit of digging on the internet.
> > > There are images of CAPTCHAs with Creative Commons licenses that are
> > extremely liberal, and these may be useful to include if still possible.
> > Hopefully they help.
> > >
> > > There is one on flickr posted by the Wufoo Team (at least that is the
> > name on the flickr account and the CAPTCHA image has their name on it).
> > Here is the link:
> > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.flickr.com_photos_wufoo_3683064794&d=DwIBAg&c=0YLnzTkWOdJlub_y7qAx8Q&r=e0Vlq1-H9s-GydHZ8dXqhyYdB-jv9NvThaezSlozh9I&m=T2vXwnPiJ_d49tp8AEMGYo9RfSSnAjhbluw4zf0oPPY&s=KZHk6WWEzguXOnjw9Q_XuT0bgf0bzgTNA42K8O5Ivis&e=

> > > The text on the image says:
> > > WUFOO
> > > Tell Us
> > > But not too fast!
> > > Who's your favorite Ninja Turtle?
> > > (radio buttons, first one selected)
> > > Leonardo
> > > Raphael
> > > Donatello
> > > Michaelangelo
> > > Type the two words in the image below.*
> > > (Words with strike through and wavy presentation) Ministry Tried; then
> > text field.
> > > Recaptcha with refresh button, audio button, help button, stop spam,
> > read books.
> > > Submit button.
> > >
> > > There is also one that is kind of interesting in terms of puzzle type of
> > CAPTCHA.
> > > It is on Wikimedia Commons, and has a liberal reuse license as well.
> > Here is the link:
> > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__commons.wikimedia.org_wiki_File-3ATranslate-5Fregistration-5Fprocess-5Fcaptcha-5Fwireframe.png&d=DwIBAg&c=0YLnzTkWOdJlub_y7qAx8Q&r=e0Vlq1-H9s-GydHZ8dXqhyYdB-jv9NvThaezSlozh9I&m=T2vXwnPiJ_d49tp8AEMGYo9RfSSnAjhbluw4zf0oPPY&s=PTipcmiC_yFS0qRwjLoScR4WpqkNf-nBDH3w-5_mOZM&e=

> > > The text on the image says:
> > > Thank you beta_tester, you are almost a translator!
> > > You can make your first translation now to activate your account:
> > > (can't tell how this is structured in the HMTL, but boxes around the
> > next text)
> > > Text to translate (next box) Empty string (button?) Try another
> > (includes refresh symbol)
> > > What's this text? Reason for account deletion
> > > (next part looks like a 4 x 1 table)
> > > Select the correct translation for French (drop down arrow)
> > > (check mark) Chaine vide
> > > Text vide
> > > (text box, help text) Propose a different translation
> > > (button) Activate account
> > >
> > > Excellent visual example that may cause challenges for those with
> > reading disabilities on Wikipedia..
> > > Letters smwm that are squished, varying heights, in almost cursive
> > looking font, all lower case.
> > >
> > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__de.wikipedia.org_wiki_Datei-3ACaptcha-2Dsmwm.svg&d=DwIBAg&c=0YLnzTkWOdJlub_y7qAx8Q&r=e0Vlq1-H9s-GydHZ8dXqhyYdB-jv9NvThaezSlozh9I&m=T2vXwnPiJ_d49tp8AEMGYo9RfSSnAjhbluw4zf0oPPY&s=VTlRzid2alVu4CvG4_zrhoCKb3CcXRdzmKF0JgEtNsc&e=

> >
> > >
> > > Jennie
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net<mailto:janina@rednote.net>>
> > > Sent: Monday, June 17, 2019 2:28 PM
> > > To: Delisi, Jennie (MNIT) <jennie.delisi@state.mn.us<mailto:jennie.delisi@state.mn.us>>
> > > Subject: yet another delay in CAPTCHA
> > >
> > > This message may be from an external email source.
> > > Do not select links or open attachments unless verified. Report all
> > suspicious emails to Minnesota IT Services Security Operations Center.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi, Jennie:
> > >
> > > Just keeping you updated on current status.
> > >
> > > As per the attached list email, a close read of the entire document over
> > the weekend disclosed a flaw we want to fix in Federated Identities and in
> > Single Sign-On.
> > >
> > >
> > > What that means is another short delay to Wednesday early AM. If the
> > RQTF call believes the draft as of Wednesday AM is ready, we'll move to a
> > CfC in APA, but not sooner.
> > >
> > > So, still time for COGA tweaks!
> > >
> > > Best,
> > >
> > > Janina
> > >
> > >
> > > --
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> >
> > Janina Sajka
> >
> > Linux Foundation Fellow
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> >
> >
>
> --
>
>
> Steve Noble
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> Psychometrics & Testing Services
>
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>
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Janina Sajka

Linux Foundation Fellow
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