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<csma> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2010Sep/att-0028/21-rif-minutes.html
<csma> PROPOSED: Approve the minutes from 21 September
<Harold> +1
<csma> RESOLVED: Approve the minutes from 21 September
Sandro: this is the last telecon,
plan is to request a "dormant extension" as OWL1.1, the working
group will remain in name and still able to make decisions but
no allocated staff time.
... it will be possible to do errata fixes but certainly not
take on any new work
... not approved but don't anticipate difficulties
csma: gives slight room to do
editorial corrections on the final documents, for publication,
but not substantive changes
... if someone wants to do work on RIF, e.g. a new dialect,
that would require a new charter
<sandro> sandro: right
csma: so this is the last regular telecon, though might have to convene if there is some errata to consider
csma points out question from Ontoprise concerning empty arg elements, schema says it is optional (as does PRD) but BLD/FLD do not mark it as optional
<csma> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-dev/2010Sep/0000.html
harold: agree that it is supposed to be optional
csma: will reply to Thomas
... do we need an erratum
harold: will check and respond to csma
<sandro> Here is the Errata page: http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/Errata
<sandro> (it's linked from each of the Recommendations.)
<Harold> http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/BLD#Mapping_of_the_Condition_Language
csma clarifies that errata only apply to to the published documents, not to the drafts currently in progress
<Harold> n greater or equal 0.
harold: in the mapping table it states N >= 0, which implies optionality already, so no erratum needed
csma will respond to Thomas to that effect
sandro: the wiki will stay open for the foreseeable future
sandro: correcting typos and such
responsible edits are fine
... people should also update the FAQ as appropriate
... non-trivial fixes would require an erratum on the erratum
page, plus changing source text
... before any publication of updated text there is still a
review period
csma: substantive changes that would affect interoperability are clearly out of scope
sandro: if there is some serious error discovered we should discuss it to decide what to do
action-1056, continued so csma can take comments into account for next publication
csma: deadline this weekend would mean document could be complete by next Tuesday
action-1055 closed
<trackbot> ACTION-1055 Contribute a PRD section like the BLD section (5.1) to the Primer closed
action-1052 closed
<trackbot> ACTION-1052 Send email to Gary and sandro re reviewing Primer closed
action-1045 not done but really falls under SPARQL at this point
action-1045 closed
<trackbot> ACTION-1045 Write down owl direct vs OWL RDF test case and confirm with Birte closed
action-1042 closed
<trackbot> ACTION-1042 Ping EricP on Primer closed
action-1036 closed
<trackbot> ACTION-1036 Review RIF Primer by August 27 closed
action-1035 closed
<trackbot> ACTION-1035 T oreview RIF Primer by August 27 closed
action-1012 closed (obsolete)
<trackbot> ACTION-1012 Review all test cases for use of "importProfile" wiki attribute closed
action-1011 closed (obsolete)
<trackbot> ACTION-1011 Add an import rejection test case for an empty rdf file closed
action-152 closed
<trackbot> ACTION-152 Propose test cases for UC1 closed
<csma> http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wg/track/issues/103
issue-103 is obsoleted by changes in RDF+XML document
issue-103 closed
<trackbot> ISSUE-103 Deviations from XDM in RIF+XML-data may preclude re-using code developed for XDM closed
<csma> http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wg/track/issues/104
issue-104 closed (obsoleted by changes to RDF+XML to use xpath)
<trackbot> ISSUE-104 NCNames in RIF+XML data closed
<csma> http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wg/track/issues/105
sandro: issue-105 has been resolved by our decision to include rif:usedWithProfile
issue-105 closed
<trackbot> ISSUE-105 Importing RIF into RDF documents closed
leora: have comments from Stella,
Gary, Sandro
... addressed comments from Stella but others need to be
actioned
... adding material for PRD, based on Gary's suggestions
... some of Sandro's comments are substantive and will take a
few days to work through
... email dialogue with reviewers should be enough
... would like reviewers to check changes once they are
made
csma: suggest approving document subject to final changes and approval by reviewers
<sandro> PROPOSED: Leora with work with reviewers to make edits that she and they are happy with, and when they all agree, we publish RIF Primer
<csma> PROPOSED: the editors ( Leora, Chris, Harold) will work with reviewers to make edits that she and they are happy with, and when they all agree, we publish RIF Primer
<csma> PROPOSED: the editors ( Leora, Chris, Harold) will work with reviewers to make edits that they are happy with, and when they all agree, we publish RIF Primer
<sandro> PROPOSED: the editors ( Leora, Chris, Harold) will work with reviewers to make edits that they are happy with, and when they all agree, Sandro will proceed with publishing RIF Primer.
<sandro> +1 (W3C0
<sandro> +1 (W3C)
<Leora> +1
<Harold> +1
<sandro> PROPOSED: the editors ( Leora, Chris, Harold) will work with reviewers to make edits that they are happy with, and when they all agree, Sandro will proceed with publishing RIF Primer. Silence means agreement.
<APaschke> +1
<sandro> PROPOSED: for these publications, e-mail silence for 48 hours constitutes agreement.
<sandro> PROPOSED: for these publications, e-mail silence for 48 hours constitutes agreement. (not counting this thurs-fri-sat)
<csma> PROPOSED: the editors ( Leora, Chris, Harold) will work with reviewers to make edits that they are happy with, and when they all agree, Sandro will proceed with publishing RIF Primer. Silence means agreement.
<csma> PROPOSED: the editors ( Leora, Chris, Harold) will work with reviewers to make edits that they are happy with, and when they all agree, Sandro will proceed with publishing RIF Primer.
<sandro> +1
<DaveReynolds> +1
<APaschke> +1
<csma> +1
<MichaelKifer> +1
<Leora> +1
<Harold> +1
<csma> RESOLVED: the editors ( Leora, Chris, Harold) will work with reviewers to make edits that they are happy with, and when they all agree, Sandro will proceed with publishing RIF Primer.
csma: partway through integrating Gary's comments, awaiting Adrian's comments, others will not have time to review
<csma> PROPOSED: csma will work with reviewers to make edits that they are happy with, and when they all agree, Sandro will proceed with publishing RIF-XML data.
<Dave Reynolds> +1
<Leora> +1
<csma> +1
<APaschke> +1
<sandro> +1
<Harold> +1
<MichaelKifer> +1
<csma> RESOLVED: csma will work with reviewers to make edits that they are happy with, and when they all agree, Sandro will proceed with publishing RIF-XML data.
leora: need to add pointer to deontic logic, minor edit
adrian: made changes agreed last week, flattened list of requirements
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<APaschke> just removed
<csma> PROPOSED: Adrian and Leora will work with reviewers to make edits that they are happy with, and when they all agree, Sandro will proceed with publishing UCR.
<Leora> +1
<csma> +1
<Dave Reynolds> +1
<APaschke> Stella reviewed it
<sandro> +1
<csma> PROPOSED: Adrian and Leora will work with reviewers to make edits that they are happy with, and when they all agree, Sandro will proceed with publishing UCR.
<APaschke> +1
<csma> PROPOSED: Adrian and Leora will work with reviewers to make edits that they are happy with, and when they all agree, Sandro will proceed with publishing UCR.
<ChrisW> +1
<csma> RESOLVED: : Adrian and Leora will work with reviewers to make edits that they are happy with, and when they all agree, Sandro will proceed with publishing UCR.
sandro: not finished working
through review from Dave
... Dave and Axel have reached concensus on the usedWithProfile
issue
... so just editorial work to complete it
<csma> PROPOSED: Sandro will work with reviewers to make edits that they are happy with, and when they all agree, Sandro will proceed with publishing UCR.
<csma> PROPOSED: Sandro will work with reviewers to make edits that they are happy with, and when they all agree, Sandro will proceed with publishing RIF in RDF
leora also reviewed document, comments not dealt with yet
sandro: will add Axel as an editor
<csma> PROPOSED: Sandro and Axel will work with reviewers to make edits that they are happy with, and when they all agree, Sandro will proceed with publishing RIF in RDF
<sandro> +1
<DaveReynolds> +1
<csma> +1
<Harold> +1
<Leora> +1
<ChrisW> +1
<MichaelKifer> +1
<csma> RESOLVED: Sandro and Axel will work with reviewers to make edits that they are happy with, and when they all agree, Sandro will proceed with publishing RIF in RDF
<APaschke> +1
leora: Test cases document is fine
<sandro> http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/index.php?title=Test&diff=13824&oldid=12720
sandro: one change since last
publication, by Harold
... but seems to be a null change
csma: we have Primer, XML Data, RIF in RDF, UCR, RIF Test
<sandro> the rif test change was "dialect(" to "dialect (", a small typo fix.
csma: primer proposed as a
note
... XML Data proposed as a working draft
... Test as a Note
<csma> PROPOSED: Publish Primer as a note, RIF-XML data as WD, UCR as note, RIF in RDF as note, RIF test as note
<sandro> +1
<DaveReynolds> +1
<csma> +1
<Leora> +1
<ChrisW> +1
<Harold> +1
<APaschke> +1
<csma> RESOLVED: Publish Primer as a note, RIF-XML data as WD, UCR as note, RIF in RDF as note, RIF test as note
<MichaelKifer> +1
<Harold> RE Test cases document -- I inserted a space here: for each dialect(
<Harold> http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/index.php?title=Test&diff=13824&oldid=12720
<Harold> (wiki diff should show space changes :-)
<ChrisW> suggest 3rd week of oct with publication before iswc
csma: for RIF-XML data target deadline would be before end of next week
sandro: if documents ready by 8th, could be published by 14th, hard deadline is 28th due to tech plenary up to Oct 12th would work
<sandro> leora out thurs/fri/sat -- absent from email -- that particular silence does NOT imply consent.
sandro: expect emails from editors by Oct 8th, otherwise hassle with ensue
chrisw: congratulations to everyone for hard work, and endurance!
<APaschke> thanks to the chairs and Sandro
<sandro> thanks to everyone......!!!
sandro: there will a RIF panel at ISWC, let Chris/Sandro know if you will be there
<sandro> mike_dean to be at ISWC
<Harold> http://2010.ruleml.org/