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csma: no minutes from last telecon?
chris: no not there
<ChrisW> close action-832
<trackbot> ACTION-832 Update wording in intro & abstract to use "SHOULD" closed
<ChrisW> close action-826
<trackbot> ACTION-826 Add, if possible, an operational definition of safety closed
<ChrisW> close action-825
<trackbot> ACTION-825 Clarify in PRD that safeness is required to guarantee that constraint solving is not needed closed
<ChrisW> close action-772
<trackbot> ACTION-772 Review swc closed
<ChrisW> close action-708
<trackbot> ACTION-708 Add import rejection test category to test cases and add combination constant equivalence test case closed
<Hassan> continued ...
<AdrianP> not sure if it was reviewed as part of the Core reviews
<ChrisW> close action-439, no one from Aberdeen participates anymore
<ChrisW> close action-439
<trackbot> ACTION-439 Post test cases fir RIF closed
<csma> next item
sandro: rdf:plainLiteral (was rdf:text) ready to publish June 11 (syncing with OWL)
<sandro> expecting actual publication date to be June 11.
csma: need to review Adrian's change to mathematical English
<AdrianP> added ground lists to http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/Core#Terms_of_RIF-Core
chris: keep subscripts in <tt> for easier to read ones (1)
csma: close or review?
chris: lists can contain function terms?
... provided no variables of course
<ChrisW> close action-803
<trackbot> ACTION-803 Update mathematic syntax for Core to reflect restricted lists closed
axel: will complete BLD and SWC
... small changes to do in DTB for rdf:text
<sandro> Axel, the mail from Alan I'm talking about is: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-text/2009AprJun/0267.html
we will leave Jos' DTB actions open
<sandro> PROPOSED: the formal semantics of list operations, ACTION-814, can wait until after Last Call for DTB.
<ChrisW> We will make the change as editorial by CR
<AxelPolleres_> abstain, would feel better with the changes in , but can't commit to do it
<sandro> RESOLVED: the formal semantics of list operations, ACTION-814, can wait until after Last Call for DTB.
chris: DTB is waiting on append
... but not waiting for formal semantics of list ops
<csma> ACTION: axel to do the name changes in DTB and rdf:PlainLiteral [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/06/02-rif-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-834 - Do the name changes in DTB and rdf:PlainLiteral [on Axel Polleres - due 2009-06-09].
csma: PRD contingent on Chris'
review of equivalence of semantics of conditions
... and Gary's review of safeness
... SWC status - for now, remove the proofs
gary: why is PRD's safeness definition is completely different from Core?
chris: SWC uses outdated defn of multistructures
axel: can make some changes
chris: will review Axel's SWC
... happy w/ Michael's FLD edits
... Core and BLD are ready to publish; others await actions
sandro: sparql and OWL now agree
on syntax and semantics of rdf:plainLiteral
... oddly, rdf:plainLiteral doesn't appear in RDF graphs
... should the spec go to CR, or 2nd LC?
chris: Axel needs to review
csma: this doesn't affect RIF, so can't we make a resolution (for RIF)?
sandro: OWL and sparql are
reviewing the semweb compatibility aspects; we don't need to
worry about it
... they seem to be doing the right things
<sandro> PROPOSED: We approve rdf:PlainLiteral (formerly rdf:text) as ready for Candidate Recommendation (or second Last Call, if others block it from being CR), pending completion of pending actions.
<sandro> PROPOSED: We approve rdf:PlainLiteral (formerly rdf:text) as ready for Candidate Recommendation (or second Last Call, if others block it from being CR), pending completion of pending actions and Axel's review.
<trackbot> ACTION-834 -- Axel Polleres to do the name changes in DTB and rdf:PlainLiteral -- due 2009-06-09 -- OPEN
<ChrisW> ACTION: axel to review rdf:text this week [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/06/02-rif-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-835 - Review rdf:text this week [on Axel Polleres - due 2009-06-09].
<ChrisW> ACTION: axel to address AlanR's comments [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/06/02-rif-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-836 - Address AlanR's comments [on Axel Polleres - due 2009-06-09].
<csma> PROPOSED: We approve rdf:PlainLiteral (formerly rdf:text) as ready for Candidate Recommendation (or second Last Call, if others block it from being CR), pending completion of action 834, 835 and 836.
<sandro> +1 (W3C)
<DaveReynolds> 0 [Don't object, think current position is probably best that can be achieved]
<sandro> http://www.w3.org/Member/ACList still lists CSMA.
<csma> RESOLVED: We approve rdf:PlainLiteral (formerly rdf:text) as ready for Candidate Recommendation (or second Last Call, if others block it from being CR), pending completion of action 834, 835 and 836.
csma: RIF needs FAQ
... all please submit some Qs
<Harold> >>What does "RIF" stand for, literally?<<
<csma> ACTION: sandro to start an FAQ wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/06/02-rif-minutes.html#action04]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-837 - Start an FAQ wiki [on Sandro Hawke - due 2009-06-09].
<sandro> "literally", Harold?
sandro: will check pubs for
broken links, etc. Please fix problems promptly!
... RIF extension asked for until end of Nov 2009
<Harold> Sandro, what about another (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU) recursive acronym: "RIF's In Flux"
<sandro> Harold, is there some problem with "Rule Interchange Format"? That's what I've typed about 1000 times.
<ChrisW> I think Harold is being facetious
<ChrisW> ...as well as pointing out a legitimate faq
<ChanghaiKe> Christian, the network here is extremely slow
csma: we plan 4 week last call comment deadline
<sandro> chris: July 10 as deadline for comments.
<sandro> chris: CR decision on July 31
chris: (proposal) meet June 9,
then every other week
... meet = RIF telecon
<sandro> chris: (4 weeks last call period)
csma: if REC in Nov, when do we need implementations?
sandro: transition from LC to CR
may be overly optimistic
... at least 5 weeks
<sandro> csma: we need implementations done by the end of September.
csma: implementors should start now (last call)
sandro: implement what?
... e.g. all the different entailments, etc