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Re: [Core](PRD] safeness

From: Christian De Sainte Marie <csma@fr.ibm.com>
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 09:22:10 +0200
To: Gary Hallmark <gary.hallmark@oracle.com>
Cc: gary.hallmark@gmail.com, RIF <public-rif-wg@w3.org>
Message-ID: <OF0705E215.55F125FD-ONC12575D2.0025C8F9-C12575D2.00287BA8@fr.ibm.com>
gary.hallmark@gmail.com wrote on 11/06/2009 01:46:56:
> I think that
> Forall x if Not(Px) then print("hello world")
> is equivalent to
> if Not(Exists x (Px)) then print("hello world")
> Both are safe.

If Not(Exists x Px)) then...

is equivalent to

If Forall x Not(Px) then...

Which is not equivalent to

Forall x If Not(Px) then...

In the former case, the rule fires once; in the latter, it fires as many 
times as there are values for x that are not P; which may be many times, 
and which is why the rule is not safe. And
> I don't see how your safeness definition for PRD distinguishes the
> safe ones from the unsafe ones.

You are right, the definition is not explicit enough on this aspect (in an 
earlier version, there was a note about whether we should remind readers 
that existentially quantified variables did not exist outside their 
existential formula, but I removed it without action, when Dave seemed to 
imply that it was clear enough).

For the avoidance of doubt and ambiguity,
* the rules for moving out existential quantifiers must be explicited 
(they can be moved out only as far as it does not change there meaning, 
that is, until the next enclosing negation;
* and it must also be made explicit, in the definition of rule safeness, 
that existentially quantified variables need only be bound within the 
scope of their quantifier.

I will edit the text in [1] to make those points precise.

[1] http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/PRD_Safeness_Bottomup



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