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notes from Presentation Syntax task force meeting

From: Sandro Hawke <sandro@w3.org>
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 13:21:42 -0500
To: public-rif-wg@w3.org
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IRC log: http://www.w3.org/2009/02/20-rif-irc
Present: Harold, Chris, Sandro
Agenda:  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2009Feb/0113

(Here's what I think we agreed.  Chris and Harold, correct as desired.)

Conclusions on presentation syntax issues:

   -- We agreed that "pd" in the metadata of example 4 of BLD was an
      error and should be "_pd" or "pd"^^<rif:local>

      At some point we might allow a declaration ("local(pd)") which
      would allow one to use "pd" like that.

   -- We agreed to add separators to the syntax, making it more like
      other languages with infix operators, so that:
          Group(p(a b (c+d) e(c+d) f (c+d)) q(a))
      would instead be written something like:
          Group(p(a, b, c+d, e(c+d), f, c+d); q(a))

      This will alas require transforming all existing test cases and
      examples; Sandro will investigate automating that transforming,
      or simply saying those are written in a different PS.

      (I'm not really happy about this, but have no better idea.)

   -- We agreed that CURIES and bare IRIs which do not contain
      delimiters (but do contain operators) could be allowed.  As a
      consequence, infix operators like "-" and "+" will have to be
      surrounded by whitespace.
           f(my:max-width - 12)  has a subtraction
           f(my:max-width-12)    has no subtraction
           f(4-12)           is disallowed, to keep people using spaces

      (I'm not really happy about this, but have no better idea.)
           
   -- String literals can have escapes (like \") as in turtle
      http://www.w3.org/TeamSubmission/turtle/#sec-strings
      (except the \>, which isn't needed since in RIF you can always
      use rif:iri instead of <foo:bar>)

   -- We'll allow C++ syntax comments as a shortcut
      for (* _some_new_term[rdfs:comment->"...stuff..." *)
      if Sandro can come up with a decent way to parse & attach them
      (Actually we said comments starting with "#", but in typing this
      I realized that conflicts with InstanceOf)

      Actually does it need to be 
        (* _some_new_term _some_new_term[rdfs:comment->"...stuff..." *)
      ?  I can't tell from the spec.

   -- Regarding literals like 123.456, we'll require a suffix to tell us
      which datatype to use:
          123.456d ==> "123.456"^^<xs:decimal>  
          123.456e ==> "123.456"^^<xs:double>   (as in Java/C)
          123.456f ==> "123.456"^^<xs:float>    (as in Java/C)
      (123.456e+02 and 123.456f+02 are double and float, as usual)

   -- We'll allow formulas as terms in the general grammar
      eg:   p(1, 2, (p(1) :- q(2)), 3)
      since some dialects might use them

   -- Responding to Chris's strong dislike of "->" as very confusing in
      a logic language, we finally settled on "::" to replace it in NAU
      and frames.
      eg:    p(b :: 1, bb :: f[my:color :: your:red])

Conclusions on other issues:

   -- It would be nice to anonymous frames.  In PS, the syntax could be
      _[attr->value]    (or  _[attr :: value])

   -- It would be nice to have nested frames, and more generally frames
      in terms.  Can we please add them back?  They're just syntactic
      sugar (unless you have anonymous frames).
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