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Re: where to hang the metadata?

From: Sandro Hawke <sandro@w3.org>
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 14:00:15 -0400
To: kifer@cs.sunysb.edu (Michael Kifer)
Cc: Christian de Sainte Marie <csma@ilog.fr>, "Boley, Harold" <Harold.Boley@nrc-cnrc.gc.ca>, public-rif-wg@w3.org
Message-ID: <18539.1209405615@ubuhebe>

> > Having only Groups seems to make some people very unhappy; and, yes, I 
> > noticed that having Rules as well makes you unhappy, althought I am yet 
> > not absolutely sure I fully understand why :-)
> And do you understand why Group makes others unhappy?

I think I understand why Group, by itself (without Rule) makes others
unhappy, sure.  I imagine that they (and I) sometimes objectify
individual rules as individual rules -- distinct from collections of
rules.  And they want to apply metadata that is intended to refer to
individual rules -- things about "this rule".  Properties whose domain
is "Rule", not "Group/Set of Rules".

> I would like to make a constructive suggestion that you and Sandro stop
> focusing on my persona and stick to the issues.

I'm sorry if my message was problematic.  I thought your
devils-on-a-needle comment was counter-productive, and I tried to point
out the difficulty [1], but I guess I didn't do it well.  Sorry about

> You may not have been doing it consciously, but to an outside reader it
> might appear as such.
> I am not the only one who does not like the rules wrapper. On the other
> side of the issue, there is only one member who is adamant about having the
> Rule wrapper. So, why presenting this thing as "me vs. the rest"?

It's not personal at all.  Toward the end of the meeting [2] you (alone)
indicated that you would object to adding a Rule wrapper.  (Harold gave
a "-0.5", and my writing has also been to him.)

My compromise was also aimed at the folks who didn't like Group, and
I'll be happy to try to talk them into it, if they reply against the

    -- Sandro

[1] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2008Apr/0160
[2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2008Apr/att-0145/2008-04-22-rif-minutes.htm
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