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| =-= | Topic for #rif is “25 Sept RIF Agenda http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2007Sep/0143.html” |
| =-= | Topic for #rif was set by ChrisW on 25 September 2007 15:35:15 |
| <ChrisW> | hassan, are you there? |
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| <DaveReynolds> | Scribe: Dave Reynolds |
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| <DaveReynolds> | Introduction session to F2F7 |
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| <DaveReynolds> | Objective of F2F is prepare next WD of BLD as early as poss in Oct in prep for next meeting in Boston |
| <ChrisW> | I emailed around a seating chart for the meeting |
| <DaveReynolds> | Planned order of topics on agenda on: http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wg/wiki/F2F7 |
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| <DaveReynolds> | First subsection: abstract syntax - BNF or ASN07? |
| <IgorMozetic> | is there any dial-in? |
| * DaveReynolds | Igor - Chris is just setting it up |
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| <ChrisW> | zakim, this is rif |
| <Zakim> | ok, ChrisW; that matches SW_RIF(f2f)8:00AM |
| <ChrisW> | zakim, who is on the phone? |
| <Zakim> | On the phone I see [IBM] |
| <ChrisW> | zakim, ibm is temporarily Meeting_Room |
| <Zakim> | +Meeting_Room; got it |
| <DaveReynolds> | Sandro: last fall proposed notion of abstract syntax, developed asn06, demonstrated mapping to OWL and XMLSchema |
| <DaveReynolds> | Sandro: Harold also wants a BNF style for the abstract syntax, also have UML diagram |
| <ChrisW> | zakim,
meeting_room contains AdrianPa AxelPolleres BobMoore ChrisW csma
DaveReynolds Harold jdebruijn mdean MichaelKifer PaulaP StellaMitchell
sandro |
| <Zakim> | +AdrianPa,
AxelPolleres, BobMoore, ChrisW, csma, DaveReynolds, Harold, jdebruijn,
mdean, MichaelKifer, PaulaP, StellaMitchell, sandro; got it |
| <DaveReynolds> | Sandro: so have set of roughly equiv expressions for the abstract syntax, differnce is mostly editorial |
| <DaveReynolds> | Sandro: one difference noted is that AEBNF doesn't explicitly mark ordered, apart from that the syntaxes are equivalent |
| <AxelPolleres> | main problems in asn/ebnf are IMO: order, cardinality/optional, etc. |
| <DaveReynolds> | csma: if they are indeed equivalent do we keep only one or do we have several with one normative? |
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| <RRSAgent> | logging to http://www.w3.org/2007/09/27-rif-irc |
| <ChrisW> | rrsagent, make minutes |
| <RRSAgent> | I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/09/27-rif-minutes.html ChrisW |
| <DaveReynolds> | csma: e.g. the AEBNF might be normative with the asn07 as informative because it is more readable |
| <DaveReynolds> | Sandro: would lean to only having the XML Schema as normative, all else informative |
| <DaveReynolds> | Jos: but the semantics ties to a specific syntax and so that syntax also has to be normative |
| <DaveReynolds> | Harold: the semantics is given in presentation syntax so need semantics-preserving xform from ps to xml syntax |
| <DaveReynolds> | csma: does the semantics need presentation syntax rather than abstract syntax? |
| <ChrisW> | rrsagent, make logs public |
| <RRSAgent> | I have made the request, ChrisW |
| <DaveReynolds> | Michael: order by awkwardness - asn, abstract, presentation from hardest to easiest |
| <DaveReynolds> | s/awkwardness/akwardness/ |
| <DaveReynolds> | csma: are we sure they are equivalent? |
| <DaveReynolds> | Sandro: no sure, believes so, not implemented converters for all cases |
| <DaveReynolds> | s/no/nnot/ |
| <DaveReynolds> | csma: don't need complete equivalence just that the specification of RIF is same in each case |
| <Zakim> | +Hassan_Ait-Kaci |
| * Hassan | zakim, mute me |
| * Zakim | Hassan_Ait-Kaci should now be muted |