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<sandro> Attendees: Sandro, Francois, Deborah, Harold, MikeDean, Igor, Hassan, Alex, DavidHirtle, DaveReynolds, ChrisW
<ChrisW> scribenick: mdean
<ChrisW> Scribe: Mike Dean
<sandro> (number of callers - 13)
RESOLUTION: minutes accepted
<sandro> Allen, are you on the call?
no agenda amendments
ChrisW: regular telecon next week - Zakim should be back
<sandro> all telecon slots accounted for.
<sandro> (ie attendee list is accurate)
<Hassan> June 2 and 3
ChrisW: F2F6 in Innsbruck June 2-3
josb: meeting will be at university
... will need count a couple weeks before
email from Paul Vincent on PRR - spec delayed
no other liaison news
agenda items 2 and 3 reversed
ACTION-266 complete by Deborah
ACTION-269 complete by harold
ACTION-270 complete by harold
ACTION-273 complete by mkifer
ChrisW: Working Draft - frozen March 23 version
josb: possible confusion over
general framework vs. RIF Core dialect - not yet
... suggest changing intro text
<Hassan> It shouldn't
josb: doesn't present dialect itself
ChrisW: should RIF Core be a dialect?
mkifer: document presents more
than RIF Core, but much less than a dialect
... may confuse some readers
ChrisW: how important is this?
josb: might lead to a lot of confusion
<sandro> scribenick: mdean
Harold: represents first draft of dialect?
josb: no - doesn't say what a dialect is
ChrisW: maybe OK for first draft - elicit this type of feedback
<AlexKozlenkov> Why does it not represent the first draft of the RIF Core dialect?
mkifer: suggest jos send updated paragraphs
ChrisW: not for this Working
Draft - too late
... today approve for public release based on authors completing the actions agreed to at F2F5
... WD release process isn't instantaneous
... updated paragraphs available now?
josb: will send to list now
<josb> My phrasing suggestions: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2007Mar/0125.html
ChrisW: any other comments
Deborah: semantics of
multi-worded RIF conditions, type is used where signature or
sort would be expected - confusing
... will send email
mkifer: small comments from Alex
<Hassan> I received them as well Alex
Alex: just sent to Harold?
mkifer: issue (exists) sent to list
Alex: issue should be addressed in future Working Draft
<Harold> Alex sent:
<Harold> In 18.104.22.168, about the text “only to function terms that belong”. I do not fully understand that. ?v can be bound not necessarily to function terms but also primitive constants.
<Harold> In 22.214.171.124, I_F definition, it says I_F(d_1,…,d_k). This should read I_F(f)(d_1,…,d_k), otherwise I do not get it.
<Harold> Also the introduction says that the focus of WD1 is the condition language (not rules?). Is that so?
no other fixes/edits
sandro: current draft does not specify RIF Core? it just lays groundwork?
<Hassan> I second Jos's rewording -hak
taking a minute for everyone to read Jos's message
mkifer: never says that RIF Core is a rule language
<AlexKozlenkov> it looks like the overview is a bit of touch really
ChrisW: does seem like an omission
<Deborah_Nichols> +1 to what Michael says wrt RIF being a 'format' but not rule language
sandro: potentially contentious
<DaveReynolds> The Overview does say "A dialect is a rule language ..."
ChrisW: abstract seems OK
discussion of Jos's message
<Hassan> As an interchange language, readers will expect as least one full worked out *exchange* between two real-life rule languages... (say, Edinburgh Prolog and Colmerauer's Prolog III)
Harold: which will be presented in next version?
<josb> I'm fine with that
Harold: perhaps: will be developed
in future Working Drafts instead
... we do have a kind of draft of Core
Sandro: Jos's wording too dismissive of current draft
<Harold> The current document is a first draft of the RIF framework, sufficient
<Harold> for the specification of RIF Core, which will be presented in the next
<Harold> version of this document.
ChrisW: keep document as is
... architecture document should help clarify
... don't see this as a killer - but would like feedback from community
... accept typo fixes from Deborah and Alex
... straw poll on publishing current version as first Working Draft
... any anticipated objections?
Sandro recording votes - will send email later
1 Agfa-Gevaert N. V. ABSENT Jos De Roo Stan Devitt 2 Betfair Limited Alex Kozlenkov YES 3 Corticon Technologies, Inc. ABSENT Pedram Abrari 4 DERI Galway Stefan Decker Dieter Fensel Andreas Harth Axel Polleres YES 5 DERI Innsbruck Darko Anicic Jos de Bruijn YES Dieter Fensel Hong-Gee Kim Holger Lausen 6 Electronics and Telecommunications Research Institute (ETRI) ABSENT Minsu Jang 7 Fair Isaac Corporation ABSENT Don Griest Bob Moore James Taylor 8 Forschungszentrum Informatik (FZI) ABSENT Michael Erdmann Pascal Hitzler Markus Kr%G�%@tzsch 9 Free University of Bozen-Bolzano ABSENT Pablo Fillottrani Enrico Franconi Peter F. Patel-Schneider Sergio Tessaris 10 Fundacion CTIC ABSENT Luis Polo 11 German Research Center for Artificial Intelligence (DFKI) Gmbh ABSENT Michael Sintek 12 HP Jeremy Carroll Dave Reynolds YES 13 IBM Corporation Stella Mitchell Leora Morgenstern Christopher Welty Co-Chair YES 14 ILOG, S.A. Hassan Ait-Kaci YES Philippe Bonnard Christian de Sainte Marie Co-Chair 15 INNOVIMAX ABSENT Mohamed ZERGAOUI 16 Image, Video and Multimedia Systems Lab (IVML-NTUA) Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos YES 17 Institute of Informatics & Telecommunications (IIT), NCSR ABSENT Alexandros Artikis Stasinos Konstantopoulos Pantelis Nasikas 18 JBoss Inc. ABSENT Mark Proctor 19 Jozef Stefan Institute Igor Mozetic YES 20 K-Space ABSENT Vassilis Tzouvaras 21 MITRE Corporation Allen Ginsberg YES Deborah Nichols (also on call) Leo Obrst Suzette Stoutenburg 22 Maryland Information and Network Dynamics Lab ABSENT James Hendler Bijan Parsia 23 National ICT Australia (NICTA) Ltd ABSENT Renato Iannella 24 National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) ABSENT Edward Barkmeyer Evan Wallace 25 National Research Council Canada Harold Boley YES Duong Doan David Hirtle (also on call) Jing Mei Bruce Spencer 26 Nokia ABSENT Deepali Khushraj Ora Lassila 27 Object Management Group, Inc. (OMG) ABSENT Donald Chapin John Hall Said Tabet 28 Ontology Works ABSENT William Andersen Joshua Engel Steven Matuszek 29 Oracle Corporation Gary Hallmark YES 30 Other? Ugo Corda Sven Groppe Francis McCabe Jeff Z. Pan 31 Pragati Synergetic Research Inc. ABSENT Mala Mehrotra 32 REWERSE Piero Bonatti Fran%G�%@ois Bry YES Adrian Giurca Massimo Marchiori Paula-Lavinia Patranjan Uta Schwertel Gerd Wagner 33 SRI International Mike Dean YES David Martin Guizhen Yang 34 Sandpiper Software, Inc. ABSENT Elisa Kendall Francis McCabe 35 TIBCO Software, Inc. ABSENT Paul Vincent 36 The Boeing Company ABSENT David Jones Michael Uschold 37 University of Aberdeen, Computing Science ABSENT Jeff Pan 38 University of Manchester ABSENT Ian Horrocks Bijan Parsia Uli Sattler 39 W3C Invited Experts Benjamin Grosof ABSENT Michael Kifer YES Chris Menzel ABSENT 40 W3C/MIT Dan Connolly Alternate Team Contact Sandro Hawke Team Contact YES Anyone else on call? -- no.
<Hassan> ILOG votes YES for publication of the WD1 (hak representing)
<IgorMozetic> JSI vote: yes
<AlexKozlenkov> JBoss voted yes (communicated by Mark Proctor)
<AlexKozlenkov> JBoss voted remotely, they can send an e-mail confirmation if required
RESOLUTION: first Working Draft published
ChrisW: thanks to editors - real accomplishment
<sandro> Passed 15 YES, 0 Abstain, 0 No.
ChrisW: finish meeting with
action review - continue issue discussion next week
... new issues: URIs in text (via email), overlapping domains
ACTION-271 - discussion in email - misunderstanding - complete by jos
no other actions
ChrisW: UCR waiting for review?
sandro: image alt text as discussed in email message?
... alt doesn't necessarily have to be complete
<scribe> ACTION: Allen to add alt text for UCR [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/27-rif-minutes.html#action01]
<rifbot> Created ACTION-274 - Add alt text for UCR [on Allen Ginsberg - due 2007-04-03].
<sandro> (not so much "complete" as "lengthy")
RIFRAF actions to be discussed in 2 weeks
<AlexKozlenkov> Thank you the editors and all