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<sandro> Attendees: Sandro, Francois, Deborah, Harold, MikeDean, Igor, Hassan, Alex, DavidHirtle, DaveReynolds, ChrisW
<sandro> +JosDB
<ChrisW> scribenick: mdean
<ChrisW> Scribe: Mike Dean
<sandro> (number of callers - 13)
<ChrisW> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2007Mar/att-0066/20-rif-minutes.html
RESOLUTION: minutes accepted
<sandro> Allen, are you on the call?
no agenda amendments
<Allen> yes
<sandro> +Allen
ChrisW: regular telecon next week - Zakim should be back
<sandro> all telecon slots accounted for.
<sandro> (ie attendee list is accurate)
<Hassan> June 2 and 3
ChrisW: F2F6 in Innsbruck June 2-3
josb: meeting will be at university
... will need count a couple weeks before
ACTION-267 complete
email from Paul Vincent on PRR - spec delayed
no other liaison news
agenda items 2 and 3 reversed
action review
ACTION-266 complete by Deborah
ACTION-269 complete by harold
ACTION-270 complete by harold
ACTION-273 complete by mkifer
<ChrisW> http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wg/core/draft-20070323.html
ChrisW: Working Draft - frozen March 23 version
josb: possible confusion over
general framework vs. RIF Core dialect - not yet
introduced
... suggest changing intro text
<AxelPolleres> sorry
<Hassan> It shouldn't
josb: doesn't present dialect itself
ChrisW: should RIF Core be a dialect?
mkifer: document presents more
than RIF Core, but much less than a dialect
... may confuse some readers
ChrisW: how important is this?
josb: might lead to a lot of confusion
<sandro> scribenick: mdean
Harold: represents first draft of dialect?
josb: no - doesn't say what a dialect is
ChrisW: maybe OK for first draft - elicit this type of feedback
<AlexKozlenkov> Why does it not represent the first draft of the RIF Core dialect?
mkifer: suggest jos send updated paragraphs
ChrisW: not for this Working
Draft - too late
... today approve for public release based on authors
completing the actions agreed to at F2F5
... WD release process isn't instantaneous
... updated paragraphs available now?
josb: will send to list now
<josb> My phrasing suggestions: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2007Mar/0125.html
ChrisW: any other comments
Deborah: semantics of
multi-worded RIF conditions, type is used where signature or
sort would be expected - confusing
... will send email
mkifer: small comments from Alex
<Hassan> I received them as well Alex
Alex: just sent to Harold?
mkifer: issue (exists) sent to list
Alex: issue should be addressed in future Working Draft
<Harold> Alex sent:
<Harold> In 2.1.3.1, about the text “only to function terms that belong”. I do not fully understand that. ?v can be bound not necessarily to function terms but also primitive constants.
<Harold> In 2.1.3.3, I_F definition, it says I_F(d_1,…,d_k). This should read I_F(f)(d_1,…,d_k), otherwise I do not get it.
<Harold> Also the introduction says that the focus of WD1 is the condition language (not rules?). Is that so?
no other fixes/edits
<josb> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2007Mar/0125.html
sandro: current draft does not specify RIF Core? it just lays groundwork?
josb: yes
<Hassan> I second Jos's rewording -hak
taking a minute for everyone to read Jos's message
mkifer: never says that RIF Core is a rule language
<AlexKozlenkov> it looks like the overview is a bit of touch really
ChrisW: does seem like an omission
<Deborah_Nichols> +1 to what Michael says wrt RIF being a 'format' but not rule language
sandro: potentially contentious
<DaveReynolds> The Overview does say "A dialect is a rule language ..."
ChrisW: abstract seems OK
discussion of Jos's message
<Hassan> As an interchange language, readers will expect as least one full worked out *exchange* between two real-life rule languages... (say, Edinburgh Prolog and Colmerauer's Prolog III)
Harold: which will be presented in next version?
<josb> I'm fine with that
Harold: perhaps: will be developed
in future Working Drafts instead
... we do have a kind of draft of Core
Sandro: Jos's wording too dismissive of current draft
<Harold> The current document is a first draft of the RIF framework, sufficient
<Harold> for the specification of RIF Core, which will be presented in the next
<Harold> version of this document.
ChrisW: keep document as is
... architecture document should help clarify
... don't see this as a killer - but would like feedback from
community
... accept typo fixes from Deborah and Alex
... straw poll on publishing current version as first Working
Draft
... any anticipated objections?
none
Sandro recording votes - will send email later
1 Agfa-Gevaert N. V. ABSENT
Jos De Roo
Stan Devitt
2 Betfair Limited
Alex Kozlenkov YES
3 Corticon Technologies, Inc. ABSENT
Pedram Abrari
4 DERI Galway
Stefan Decker
Dieter Fensel
Andreas Harth
Axel Polleres YES
5 DERI Innsbruck
Darko Anicic
Jos de Bruijn YES
Dieter Fensel
Hong-Gee Kim
Holger Lausen
6 Electronics and Telecommunications Research Institute (ETRI) ABSENT
Minsu Jang
7 Fair Isaac Corporation ABSENT
Don Griest
Bob Moore
James Taylor
8 Forschungszentrum Informatik (FZI) ABSENT
Michael Erdmann
Pascal Hitzler
Markus Kr%G�%@tzsch
9 Free University of Bozen-Bolzano ABSENT
Pablo Fillottrani
Enrico Franconi
Peter F. Patel-Schneider
Sergio Tessaris
10 Fundacion CTIC ABSENT
Luis Polo
11 German Research Center for Artificial Intelligence (DFKI) Gmbh ABSENT
Michael Sintek
12 HP
Jeremy Carroll
Dave Reynolds YES
13 IBM Corporation
Stella Mitchell
Leora Morgenstern
Christopher Welty Co-Chair YES
14 ILOG, S.A.
Hassan Ait-Kaci YES
Philippe Bonnard
Christian de Sainte Marie Co-Chair
15 INNOVIMAX ABSENT
Mohamed ZERGAOUI
16 Image, Video and Multimedia Systems Lab (IVML-NTUA)
Giorgos Stamou
Giorgos Stoilos YES
17 Institute of Informatics & Telecommunications (IIT), NCSR ABSENT
Alexandros Artikis
Stasinos Konstantopoulos
Pantelis Nasikas
18 JBoss Inc. ABSENT
Mark Proctor
19 Jozef Stefan Institute
Igor Mozetic YES
20 K-Space ABSENT
Vassilis Tzouvaras
21 MITRE Corporation
Allen Ginsberg YES
Deborah Nichols (also on call)
Leo Obrst
Suzette Stoutenburg
22 Maryland Information and Network Dynamics Lab ABSENT
James Hendler
Bijan Parsia
23 National ICT Australia (NICTA) Ltd ABSENT
Renato Iannella
24 National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) ABSENT
Edward Barkmeyer
Evan Wallace
25 National Research Council Canada
Harold Boley YES
Duong Doan
David Hirtle (also on call)
Jing Mei
Bruce Spencer
26 Nokia ABSENT
Deepali Khushraj
Ora Lassila
27 Object Management Group, Inc. (OMG) ABSENT
Donald Chapin
John Hall
Said Tabet
28 Ontology Works ABSENT
William Andersen
Joshua Engel
Steven Matuszek
29 Oracle Corporation
Gary Hallmark YES
30 Other?
Ugo Corda
Sven Groppe
Francis McCabe
Jeff Z. Pan
31 Pragati Synergetic Research Inc. ABSENT
Mala Mehrotra
32 REWERSE
Piero Bonatti
Fran%G�%@ois Bry YES
Adrian Giurca
Massimo Marchiori
Paula-Lavinia Patranjan
Uta Schwertel
Gerd Wagner
33 SRI International
Mike Dean YES
David Martin
Guizhen Yang
34 Sandpiper Software, Inc. ABSENT
Elisa Kendall
Francis McCabe
35 TIBCO Software, Inc. ABSENT
Paul Vincent
36 The Boeing Company ABSENT
David Jones
Michael Uschold
37 University of Aberdeen, Computing Science ABSENT
Jeff Pan
38 University of Manchester ABSENT
Ian Horrocks
Bijan Parsia
Uli Sattler
39 W3C Invited Experts
Benjamin Grosof ABSENT
Michael Kifer YES
Chris Menzel ABSENT
40 W3C/MIT
Dan Connolly Alternate Team Contact
Sandro Hawke Team Contact YES
Anyone else on call? -- no.
<Hassan> ILOG votes YES for publication of the WD1 (hak representing)
<IgorMozetic> JSI vote: yes
<AlexKozlenkov> JBoss voted yes (communicated by Mark Proctor)
<AlexKozlenkov> JBoss voted remotely, they can send an e-mail confirmation if required
RESOLUTION: first Working Draft published
ChrisW: thanks to editors - real accomplishment
<sandro> Passed 15 YES, 0 Abstain, 0 No.
<ircleuser> :-)
ChrisW: finish meeting with
action review - continue issue discussion next week
... new issues: URIs in text (via email), overlapping
domains
ACTION-271 - discussion in email - misunderstanding - complete by jos
ACTION-266 complete
no other actions
action review
ChrisW: UCR waiting for review?
Allen: correct
sandro: image alt text as discussed in email message?
... alt doesn't necessarily have to be complete
<scribe> ACTION: Allen to add alt text for UCR [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/27-rif-minutes.html#action01]
<rifbot> Created ACTION-274 - Add alt text for UCR [on Allen Ginsberg - due 2007-04-03].
<sandro> (not so much "complete" as "lengthy")
RIFRAF actions to be discussed in 2 weeks
adjourned
<Allen> bye
<AlexKozlenkov> Thank you the editors and all