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RIF Telecon 24 Oct 2006

24 Oct 2006

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Attendees

Present
AdrianGiurca, AlexKozlenkov, AxelPolleres, BobMoore, ChristianDeSainteMarie, ChrisWelty, DaveReynolds, DavidHirtle, DeborahNichols, FrançoisBry, FrankMcCabe, GaryHallmark, GerdWagner, GiorgosStoilos, HaroldBoley, HassanAitKaci, IgorMozetic, JeffPan, JohnHall, JosDeBruijn, LeoraMorgenstern, MalaMehrotra, MarkusKrötzsch, MikeDean, PaulaLaviniaPatranjan, PaulVincent, PeterPatelSchneider, SaidTabet, SandroHawke, StellaMitchell
Regrets
AllenGinsberg, MichaelSintek, MichaelKifer, ElisaKendall, MohamedZergaoui, JosDeRoo
Chair
Chris Welty
Scribe
Gary Hallmark

Contents


F2F4

Note: We will have a telecon next week.

Peter: please sign up now for f2f4

<JeffP> I will register

<LeoraMorgenstern> Peter, I will sign up.

<LeoraMorgenstern> But 1. I don't need to be fed ;-)

<SaidTabet> Peter, please add me

<LeoraMorgenstern> and 2. I have to wait for management approval to sign up officially.

<AlexKozlenkov> Peteer, please add me and respond to my e-mail

<AlexKozlenkov> Our assistants could not make the registration

chris: explains plans for F2F4 schedule

<ChrisW> http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wg/wiki/F2F4

<AxelPolleres> +1 for work focused meeting

chris: considering 2 parallel sessions for F2F4. Asks which WG members would like to attend both.

<AxelPolleres> I would be glad if we can come out of the RIFRAF meeting with a concrete plan what the document should roughly look like.

<DaveReynolds> possibly ...

<LeoraMorgenstern> Yes, I would like to attend both

chris: UCR and Technical Design will be in parallel

<PaulaP> I would also like to attend both

<LeoraMorgenstern> (Though, as I said, I can only watch on Saturday)

<AxelPolleres> ... and time schedule.

chris: actions will be assigned to parallel groups but decisions will be made in plenary

Laison

<johnhall> SBVR - nothing new

<PaulVincent> PRR - nothing new AFAIK

Action Review

<csma> ACTION-120 continued

<csma> ACTION-121 continued

<csma> ACTION-122 continued

<csma> ACTION-141 continued

<csma> ACTION-142 continued

Technical Design

<AxelPolleres> Michael's mail: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2006Oct/0100

<ChrisW> http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wg/wiki/A.1.0_Nucleus%3A_Positive_Conditions

chris: try to write rules using latest version of core language
... what is missing, what should be added?

christian: what were the poblems and issued encountered in your translation exercise?

gerd: object type v. data type is still an issue in core

<Franois> msg GerdWagner Here we are! You were not there in the past.

chris: group decided not to have such a split -- is a split needed in core or can it be an extension

<FrankMcCabe> what are the criteria for the core? When is my feature a core feature?

gerd: RDF and OWL make this distinction

<josb> RDF does not make this distinction

csma: such a split or not should be illustrated with some examples

chris: core should be simple but extensible

<FrankMcCabe> good

harold: explicit universal quantifiers have been added to core

<Harold> Forall now around Horn rules: http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wg/wiki/B.1_Horn_Rules

frank: if a feature requires an enormous extension, should it be in core?

<csma> Criticism of the current proposed core design can also come in the form of alternative proposals!

chris: expect that most rule languages will require some extensions

frank: some extensions may require core redesign, e.g. multiple theories, strong typing

chris: illustrate cases that require core redesign with examples

csma: another definition of core in phase 1: features that are not controversial

Volunteers to write rules for Use Cases

<johnhall> Sorry, I have to leave. My action on linking UC5 to requirements is continued.

<sandro> http://www.w3.org/TR/rif-ucr/#Use_Cases

<LeoraMorgenstern> I will volunteer to do this for the Medical Decision Support use case,

<LeoraMorgenstern> since that's the one I'm familiar with

<csma> ACTION: to Leora to propose rule examples for medical use case [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/24-rif-minutes.html#action01]

<PaulaP> I can take use case 2

<csma> ACTION: Paul to propose rule examples for UC1 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/24-rif-minutes.html#action02]

<rifbot> Created ACTION-152 - Propose rule examples for UC1 [on Paul Vincent - due 2006-10-31].

<csma> ACTION: Paula to propose rule examples for UC2 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/24-rif-minutes.html#action03]

<rifbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - Paula

<GerdWagner> We'll do several examples and try to link them to use cases

<csma> ACTION: deborah to talk to Allen about doing rule examples on UC3 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/24-rif-minutes.html#action04]

<rifbot> Created ACTION-153 - Talk to Allen about doing rule examples on UC3 [on Deborah Nichols - due 2006-10-31].

chris: these actions must be completed before F2F4

<csma> ACTION: Gerd to do some rule examples and try to connect them to UCs [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/24-rif-minutes.html#action05]

<rifbot> Created ACTION-154 - Do some rule examples and try to connect them to UCs [on Gerd Wagner - due 2006-10-31].

<csma> ACTION: csma to talk to PhilippeB about rule examples and connecting them to UCs [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/24-rif-minutes.html#action06]

<rifbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - csma

<Franois> Sorry, I must leave now. Francois

<SaidTabet> Like Franc,ois...I need to leave as well.

chris: as you work on rules for the use cases, point out difficulties encountered

<csma> ACTION: Dave to do rule examples for UC8 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/24-rif-minutes.html#action07]

<rifbot> Created ACTION-155 - Do rule examples for UC8 [on Dave Reynolds - due 2006-10-31].

<csma> ACTION: Sandro to do rule examples for UC5 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/24-rif-minutes.html#action08]

<rifbot> Created ACTION-156 - Do rule examples for UC5 [on Sandro Hawke - due 2006-10-31].

<JeffP> I can give it a try

<csma> ACTION: Jeffp to do rule examples as extensions of OWL UC7 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/24-rif-minutes.html#action09]

<rifbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - Jeffp

<AxelPolleres> Acknowledged to take UC10 "Publishing Rules for Interlinked Metadata", probably not before next Telecon though, but before f2f.

<csma> ACTION: Gary to do rule examples on UC10 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/24-rif-minutes.html#action10]

<rifbot> Created ACTION-157 - Do rule examples on UC10 [on Gary Hallmark - due 2006-10-31].

<csma> ACTION: Axel to do rule examples for UC10 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/24-rif-minutes.html#action11]

<rifbot> Created ACTION-158 - Do rule examples for UC10 [on Axel Polleres - due 2006-10-31].

<AxelPolleres> UC 10 has been assigned twice on the action tracker....

chris: include constructive criticism

RIFRAF

<csma> ACTION-148 continued

<csma> ACTION-149 continued

<LeoraMorgenstern> Not much progress

<LeoraMorgenstern> Sandro handed in a small ontology piece

Leora: not much progress on OWL ontology for RIFRAF

<LeoraMorgenstern> The rest of us are planning to do it later this week

<sandro> http://topbraidcomposer.info/

sandro: likes topbraidcomposer but it costs $$ after 30 days

frank: found bugs in protege

axel: will summarize ontology progress at F2F4

Use Cases

david: linking use cases to requirements needs finishing

<csma> ACTION-38 continued

<csma> ACTION-41 continued

<csma> ACTION-72 continued

<csma> ACTION-105 continued

<csma> ACTION-106 continued

<csma> ACTION-131 continued

<csma> ACTION-132 continued

<csma> ACTION-144 continued

<csma> ACTION-147 continued

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: Axel to do rule examples for UC10 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/24-rif-minutes.html#action11]
[NEW] ACTION: csma to talk to PhilippeB about rule examples and connecting them to UCs [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/24-rif-minutes.html#action06]
[NEW] ACTION: Dave to do rule examples for UC8 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/24-rif-minutes.html#action07]
[NEW] ACTION: deborah to talk to Allen about doing rule examples on UC3 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/24-rif-minutes.html#action04]
[NEW] ACTION: Gary to do rule examples on UC10 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/24-rif-minutes.html#action10]
[NEW] ACTION: Gerd to do some rule examples and try to connect them to UCs [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/24-rif-minutes.html#action05]
[NEW] ACTION: Jeffp to do rule examples as extensions of OWL UC7 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/24-rif-minutes.html#action09]
[NEW] ACTION: Paul to propose rule examples for UC1 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/24-rif-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: Paula to propose rule examples for UC2 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/24-rif-minutes.html#action03]
[NEW] ACTION: Sandro to do rule examples for UC5 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/24-rif-minutes.html#action08]
[NEW] ACTION: to Leora to propose rule examples for medical use case [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/24-rif-minutes.html#action01]
 
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