Re: Cory Doctorow: W3C green-lights adding DRM to the Web's standards, says it's OK for your browser to say "I can't let you do that, Dave" [via Restricted Media Community Group]

Let's see,

cobaco [2013-10-08T17:17]:
> The right time to arrange remuneration is before you do the work, not after. 

I have a tendency to think things on similar ways, but that doesn't make necessary something which is a picture of the current reality. And if we push the logic, you never buy books (except in the public domain), you never go to cinema, you never buy songs, etc. I mean it's possible 

> As to being delighted if everyone bought it: 
> - half the time when I want to buy something I flatout can't (due to available  in US only, which they usually only tell you after showing several adds, or currently out of print)

You buy a lot of bad hollywood movies it seems ;) The good stuff is less hard to get. Half kidding.

> - DRM is not a selling point, it's a hassle

agreed.

> that's one business model that would work...
> - crowdfunding a la kickstarter is a second
> - distributed patronage by existing fans a third
> - loss leading live performances/related merchandise with digital goods a 
> forth
> - competing on accessibility, convenience and service a fifth (note: you're  directly competing with piracy in this model, DRM is not gonna improve your chances)
> - then there's the alternative provided by creative commons type free culture

Indie very cool models. I like it too. But seriously here is the disconnect in the discussions. These indie models are **already working**, it is not an issue to solve. And honestly, that's more than cool. On the other hand, there is a lot of big corporations with an army of copyright lawyers who want to make business online, but even more so a huge crowd of people who want to see the Hollywood movies. We can decide to tell the crowd « don't be fooled, » Watch Chris Marker movies and forget about Batman. That's not gonna fly very far though.

> the nigerian movie industrie is creating professional movies at 17k-23k a 
> piece today (at a rate of two to three thousand a year, and collective profit  of about half a billion dollars a year currently)

In fact Nollywood (The grassroot nigerian movie industry) has exactly the same king of issues and are « losing » a lot of money because of the local copy. The distribution market is through DVD. The movies are sent to China. Copied and then come back on the market. There are series of articles in both ways. Some saying that it doesn't matter, some that it is a big issue. :) As usual, there is a bit of truth in both. Bollywood has also another interesting parallel unauthorized distribution system through USB keys.

> The industry is spending billions fighting piracy, and inventing increasingly  complex DRM-schemes. Yet there's more piracy then ever before, and more of  their supposedly protected content is available each day.


We agree. Nobody is saying the opposite. But for now, this is a deal and a business ecosystem they are still willing to invest in. I'm sure that the day it will not be profitable enough they will change to a new business model. Either because the people will not go to that kind of entertainment or because they found a better thing. Who remembers the Kinetoscope?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinetoscope
It had a huge success for a while.

So all of that is jolly good but it's not the issue which is at stake for people working at W3C. 
http://longtermlaziness.wordpress.com/2013/10/08/the-w3c-is-a-restaurant/



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