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Reasoning behind srcN replacing srcset and <picture>

From: John Mellor <johnme@chromium.org>
Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2013 00:42:26 +0100
Message-ID: <CAG_kaUbaPRN7yqSfkiecNrh8yMSXWUJrn0mTLCVacfnzRmyaEA@mail.gmail.com>
To: public-respimg@w3.org, Yoav Weiss <yoav@yoav.ws>, Marcos Caceres <marcos@marcosc.com>, "Edward O'Connor" <eoconnor@apple.com>, Ilya Grigorik <igrigorik@google.com>
Cc: "Tab Atkins Jr." <jackalmage@gmail.com>
Hi folks,

By now most of you will have seen and started
discussing<http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-respimg/2013Sep/0064.html>the
alternative
markup proposal <http://tabatkins.github.io/specs/respimg/Overview.html> Tab
and I came up with, intended to replace both srcset and <picture>.

Tab's spec write-up gives great examples of how this solves the various use
cases; but I think we owe you an explanation of why srcset, <picture>, or
some other simpler approach can't solve the same use cases. Let me try to
explain, and also preemptively answer some questions.

You're all familiar with the 3 main use
cases<http://usecases.responsiveimages.org/> for
responsive images: devicePixelRatio based resolution switching, viewport
size based resolution switching, and art direction.

The key difference between viewport-based switching and art direction is
that in the viewport case a bandwidth-constrained browser should be allowed
to download a lower resolution version, whereas in the art direction case
it's essential that the browser strictly obey the switch, as the images may
have different aspect ratios, and downloading the wrong one could break the
layout.

The simple srcset syntax that WebKit recently implemented handles dpr-based
switching, but neither of the other cases. The extended srcset syntax with
'w' and 'h' attempts to handle viewport-based switching, but makes no
attempt to solve art direction - and in fact, it doesn't successfully solve
viewport-based switching either, for rather subtle reasons. Consider a page
with a simple 1-3 column responsive grid:

.grid-column { width: 100%; }
@media (min-width: 640px) {
    .grid-column { width: 50%; }
}
@media (min-width: 960px) {
    .grid-column { width: 33%; }
}


If this grid contains images that are 100% of the width of their column,
then smaller viewport sizes sometimes lead to larger images than large
viewport sizes. Paul Robert Lloyd has a great illustration of this in his 2012
post <http://24ways.org/2012/responsive-images-what-we-thought-we-needed/>:
[image: Inline image 2]
I plotted the required image width at a range of viewport widths:
[image: Inline image 3]
Notice how the widest image is required at a 639px wide viewport, and on
wider devices smaller images are used. This is why srcset isn't good enough
for viewport-based switching. If a bandwidth-constrained browser chooses to
download an image destined for narrower viewports, it might actually end up
downloading a larger image file!

So what about the <picture> element? <picture> handles dpr-based switching
and art direction well, but isn't suitable for viewport-based switching, as
the browser isn't allowed to download images destined for smaller screens,
even if they are in fact just different resolutions of the same image,
since it has no way to know this. You can sort of support viewport-based
switching if you create a lot of artificial breakpoints at different
viewport widths, and provide a 0.5x, 1x, 2x and 3x image (the 0.5x image
being for bandwidth constrained devices) at each; but that generally means
you have to repeat every image url 4+ times, which simply isn't practical.
In addition, working out what breakpoints to use for viewport-based
switching is very laborious and confusing. For the responsive grid case
above, you'd have to encode it as something like:

<picture>
    <!-- This source element covers the range 320-400, so the midpoint is
360, and that's what I'm using to calculate the x values, e.g.
320/360=0.89; similarly below -->
    <source media="(max-width: 400px)" srcset="160.jpg 0.44x, 320.jpg
0.89x, 480.jpg 1.33x, 640.jpg 1.78x, 960.jpg 2.67x">
    <source media="(max-width: 520px)" srcset="160.jpg 0.35x, 320.jpg 0.7x,
480.jpg 1.04x, 640.jpg 1.39x, 960.jpg 2.09x, 1280.jpg 2.78x">
    <source media="(max-width: 639px)" srcset="320.jpg 0.55x, 480.jpg
0.83x, 640.jpg 1.1x, 960.jpg 1.66x, 1280 2.2x, 1920 3.31x">
    <!-- Note that in the next 2 source elements, images are only half the
viewport width -->
    <source media="(max-width: 800px)" srcset="160.jpg 0.44x, 320.jpg
0.89x, 480.jpg 1.33x, 640.jpg 1.78x, 960.jpg 2.67x">
    <source media="(max-width: 959px)" srcset="160.jpg 0.36x, 320.jpg
0.73x, 480.jpg 1.09x, 640.jpg 1.45x, 960.jpg 2.18x, 1280.jpg 2.91x">
    <!-- And in the next 4, images are only 1/3 of the viewport width -->
    <source media="(max-width: 1200px)" srcset="160.jpg 0.44x, 320.jpg
0.89x, 480.jpg 1.33x, 640.jpg 1.78x, 960.jpg 2.67x">
    <source media="(max-width: 1440px)" srcset="160.jpg 0.36x, 320.jpg
0.73x, 480.jpg 1.09x, 640.jpg 1.45x, 960.jpg 2.18x, 1280.jpg 2.91x">
    <source media="(max-width: 1920px)" srcset="320.jpg 0.57x, 480.jpg
0.86x, 640.jpg 1.14x, 960.jpg 1.71x, 1280 2.29x, 1920 3.43x">
    <!-- This covers the range 1920-2560, but I left off the upper bound so
any truly huge monitors get sensible behaviour -->
    <source srcset="320.jpg 0.43x, 480.jpg 0.64x, 640.jpg 0.86x, 960.jpg
1.29x, 1280 1.71x, 1920 2.57x">
</picture>


That's pretty hard to read, let alone write. Notice how each image url gets
repeated up to 9 times here! And in order to reuse the same set of images
at the various breakpoints, I had to get out a calculator to work out all
the x multipliers :-( It could be made slightly simpler if you're willing
to make larger jumps in viewport width, but that has the downside that
users will download more unnecessary data. Ultimately, the problem is that
the web developer needs to encode that graph I plotted above into the
<picture>, but they are forced to approximate the lines by plotting a
series of points, whereas it would be much easier if there was a "straight
line" primitive.

Instead with the srcN proposal, this becomes way simpler:

<img src1="100% 640 50% 960 33%; xxs.jpg 160, xs.jpg 320, s.jpg 480, m.jpg
640, l.jpg 960, xl.jpg 1280, xxl.jpg 1920">


That first part might look a little bit cryptic at first, but if you
compare it to the breakpoints in the grid media queries above you'll see
how it's actually a pretty intuitive way of expressing the column widths
above. Remember that this is for the tricky case of a responsive grid; for
simpler cases like a full width header image you just put "100%" (i.e. the
graph is a single straight line), whereas with srcset or <picture> you'd
still have been stuck giving 7+ points along the line.

And then you simply list the pixel widths of the available images, which is
much easier than having to do a bunch of maths to link each image to a
variety of viewport widths and devicePixelRatios; crucially you never have
to repeat each image!

srcN also covers art direction by allowing you to select which set of
images you want using <picture>-style media queries, but these should be
used only for art direction, not for viewport switching (which is covered
by the mechanism above).

*FAQ*

Q) This seems to focus on flexible-width images (e.g. width: 100%). What
about fixed-width images?

A) For fixed-width images, srcN lets you use the familiar "s.jpg 1x, l.jpg
2x" syntax that srcset had, as for fixed-width images that works fine. If
you prefer, you can also use the new syntax with a fixed width instead of a
percentage width, in the form "320; s.jpg 320, l.jpg 640", but that's more
verbose, so it only really makes sense to use that in cases where an image
is sometimes flexible and sometimes fixed width, for example if you have a
max-width in px set on an image whose width is set in %.

Q) Does this fully obsolete srcset and <picture>?

A) Yes, this completely replaces all functionality of both of those.
Ideally, browsers that have already implemented the basic srcset syntax
would remove that as soon as possible before sites start to depend on it
(but if not it would be possible for such browsers to integrate
srcset<http://tabatkins.github.io/specs/respimg/Overview.html#syntax>,
just like src acts as a fallback).

Q) Why src1, src2, etc instead of child source elements like <picture> has?

A) Some implementors complained that having child elements is one of the
things they regret about <video>, because it bloats the DOM tree and adds
more edge cases to parsing. But this is just a detail; the same syntax
could be used in a <picture> with child elements if implementors change
their mind about that.

Q) But my image is neither fixed width nor a percentage of viewport width...

A) Yep, this is one thing that's not quite perfect. Say you have a fixed
400px sidebar, then two more columns split the remaining viewport width
between them. Those two columns will be calc(50vw - 200px) wide, but the
<image-size> grammar only lets you specify a single integer or percentage.
It would be possible to approximate this width with a series of
breakpoints, e.g. "0 400px 10% 600px 23% 900px 33% 1400px 39% 2100px 41%"
(at least only the first part of your srcN would be messy, and you wouldn't
have to repeat any image urls). But perhaps we should extend srcN to handle
this case better, by extending the image-size grammar as follows:

<image-size> = <integer> | <percentage> | <percentage> + <integer> |
<percentage> - <integer>


Then you'd be able to express this case more cleanly as: "50% - 200".

Q) What about CSS images?

A) Yes, the same problems that apply to <picture> also apply to CSS image
switching using media queries and image-set. So we should extend the CSS
image-set function to support the equivalent "<size-viewport-list> ;
<size-based-urls>" syntax, then CSS and HTML will be consistent.

There's also the more radical option, that we could directly allow any CSS
image value in srcN (you'd use image-set, enhanced as above, to do
responsive images). So amongst other things you'd be able to do image
slicing (which wasn't previously practical in HTML) using fragment
identifiers <http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css-images/#image-fragment>. This
could be pretty cool, but it would make the responsive images syntax
slightly more awkward (e.g. src1="image-set(100%; 's.jpg' 320, 'm.jpg'
640)" instead of just src1="100%; s.jpg 320, m.jpg 640").

Q) Why a markup solution? Wouldn't it be better to switch images
server-side (or intercept them with a Service Worker)?

A) Either is good. But the key observation, that the relation between
viewport width and image width needs to be known, applies to server-side
solutions too. Also, one benefit of markup-based solutions is that the
browser (which has access to user preferences, and current network
conditions) can decide whether and when to download lower quality versions
of images; whereas a server can't easily second-guess the user's preference
(which may depend on whether the user is roaming, etc).

Once we have HTTP/2, I believe the long term solution to responsive images
will be browser-driven parallel download of progressive images, where you
just include a single high res image in your markup, and the browser stops
downloading the image once it has enough detail. I owe you folks a blog
post on that. But full rollout of HTTP/2 will take a very long time, and in
the meantime this markup solution seems to best fit all the main use cases.

Thanks for reading this far!
-- John
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