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Re: Proposal for ISSUE-11: Default prefix declarations

From: Mark Birbeck <mark.birbeck@webbackplane.com>
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 18:10:04 +0000
Message-ID: <640dd5061003031010xd864031k1036b568f4f4e1aa@mail.gmail.com>
To: Ivan Herman <ivan@w3.org>
Cc: Manu Sporny <msporny@digitalbazaar.com>, RDFa WG <public-rdfa-wg@w3.org>
Hi Ivan,

I'd prefer to see profiles as fixed entities, with a date in their
URL, rather than something that could change at the same URL.

But I definitely agree with your point about linking this to ISSUE-1,
and think that what we're really talking about is a default profile,
rather than a default set of URI mappings.

Regards,

Mark

On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 10:54 AM, Ivan Herman <ivan@w3.org> wrote:
> I am fully and absolutely in favour of having such default xmlns sets.
> But, I think, the main challenge we have is to decide what these will
> be. To be more exact, a mechanism that gives us the possibility to have
> that list updated ever after an RDFa 1.1 rec has been published. Ie,
> having this list being part of an RDFa 1.1 is probably not a good idea.
>
> First of all, at least in my view, this option is related to ISSUE-1
> a.k.a. ACTION-4, ie, the flexibility of defining vocabularies, maybe via
> an indirect mechanism. _If_ we have such mechanism, then the RDFa1.1
> text can say that a default @vocab (or @profile) file, maintained at
> this-and-this-W3C-URI, is used by all RDFa files by default. Because the
> this-and-this-W3C-URI file would not be part of the REC text, it would
> then be possible to have an update of that content time to time, via
> some properly managed procedure.
>
> What this procedure would be? I think some sort of a social procedure
> would be necessary: people may come in and suggest a new
> prefix/vocabulary via a public mailing list; there may be some sort of a
> minimum deployment requirement or some other quality check; after a
> certain time, if there are no objections, the namespace could be added
> to the 'central' vocab file. (Some sort of an RSS feed for changes, or a
> mailing list, can be uses so that implementers may get an automatic
> notification when the file is updated and they can update their own
> local cache.)
>
> There is a precedence for something like that at W3C, called the
> XPointer Registry[1]. The policy is described in[2]. Maybe something
> like that could work for us, too
>
> Cheers
>
> Ivan
>
> [1] http://www.w3.org/2005/04/xpointer-schemes/
> [2] http://www.w3.org/2005/04/xpointer-policy
>
> On 2010-3-1 05:23 , Manu Sporny wrote:
>> On 02/28/2010 10:58 PM, Shane McCarron wrote:
>>> +1.  The only risk I see associated with this proposal is that people
>>> might assume that some prefix is pre-declared when in fact it is not
>>> (e.g., my favorite vocab is skiing: - that MUST be in there).
>>
>> True.
>>
>> Also, I don't know if we want to put a proviso in the spec that states
>> that default URI mappings will never change. Placing such a proviso in
>> there could be an issue with vocabularies like Dublin Core, that have
>> changed their URL from:
>>
>> http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/
>>
>> to
>>
>> http://purl.org/dc/terms/
>>
>> but ensured the vocabulary was backwards-compatible.
>>
>> Maybe we could say that default URI mappings will always map to the most
>> recent version of a vocabulary, or a backwards-compatible implementation
>> of a vocabulary? This could protect future versions of RDFa from
>> vocabulary rot or implosions of large companies (like Google or Yahoo or
>> Lehman Brothers).
>>
>> -- manu
>>
>
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