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Re: PROV Last Call - RDF WG review request

From: Ivan Herman <ivan@w3.org>
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 18:48:48 -0400
Cc: Antoine Zimmermann <antoine.zimmermann@emse.fr>, public-rdf-wg@w3.org
Message-Id: <FE8A0007-D308-49BD-8A22-800FFA6CB199@w3.org>
To: Richard Cyganiak <richard@cyganiak.de>
Pretty much agree with all you say, Richard. I think what we would need is to write down a decent answer to the Prov WG and call it done. Putting my Prov WG staff contact's hat on, that WG needs the answers very soon, because they are planning to go to CR.

Thanks

Ivan

On Oct 13, 2012, at 10:10 , Richard Cyganiak wrote:

> Antoine,
> 
> My point is that unlike g-boxes, bundles cannot change their contents over time, and in that sense bundle names are rigid. This is different from the designs that we have discussed, because in our designs, we had the use case of wanting to associate graph IRIs with the contents of the web document identified by the IRI, and the contents of web documents change. PROV doesn't have this use case. A bundle is a PROV-specific construct, and I couldn't see any indication in any of the PROV specs that they think of the PROV document that you get by dereferencing an IRI as a bundle with that IRI as a name.
> 
> Now, about inference and all that stuff.
> 
> PROV-C doesn't define a notion for the truth of, or entailment between, PROV documents. This simplifies things considerably.
> 
> PROV-C *does* define a notion of *equivalence* for PROV documents. The definition requires that the bundle contents be *equivalent*. They don't have to be the same syntactic statements. Bundle contents (sets of PROV statements, a.k.a. PROV instances) are equivalent if they have the same normal form. If you “materialize all inferences” in a PROV instance, you get a new and different PROV instance that still has the same normal form.
> 
> So, in PROV semantics translated to RDF datasets, :g { G1 } and :g { G2 } are equivalent if G1 and G2 are equivalent. The question whether such pairs entail each other is meaningless in PROV semantics.
> 
> The PROV design thus actually pretty closely mirrors our resolution that essentially datasets are not logical expressions, but syntactic containers for logical expressions.
> 
> Best,
> Richard
> 
> 
> 
> On 12 Oct 2012, at 18:42, Antoine Zimmermann wrote:
> 
>> Ok, let us just assume that PROV statements are like RDF statements and avoid this distinction. In this case, I would still disagree that the graph IRI would denote the set of statements, for various reasons, including what is written in PROV-CONSTRAINTS (later abbreviated as PROV-C).
>> In PROV-C, it is said:
>> 
>> "When processing provenance, an application may apply the inferences and definitions in section 4. Definitions and Inferences."
>> 
>> What "apply" means is not formally defined, but from the informational section 2, I understand that "applying" an inference means adding the inferred statements to the instance:
>> 
>> "we can often /apply/ the formula to the instance to produce another instance that does satisfy the formula"
>> 
>> "The process of applying definitions, inferences, and constraints to a PROV instance until all of them are satisfied is similar to what is sometimes called /chasing/ [DBCONSTRAINTS] or /saturation/ [CHR]."
>> 
>> PROV-C also says that inferences are done on a per-bundle basis. So, I understand the PROV-C spec to be saying that a bundle is equivalent to a bundle that contain inferred statements. This seems to clash with the idea that the graph IRI denote the actual set inside the written bundle and nothing else.
>> 
>> Any implementation that would materialise the inferred PROV statements according to the PROV-CONSTRAINTS rules would be doing something incorrect if the graph IRI denoted the actual set of statements.
>> 
>> Yet, I understand that, provenance-whise, one would like to distinguish a raw provenance and a provenance-with-materialised-inferences. In which case, there is something more needed.
>> 
>> 
>> AZ.
>> 
>> 
>> Le 12/10/2012 17:54, Richard Cyganiak a écrit :
>>> On 12 Oct 2012, at 17:12, Antoine Zimmermann wrote:
>>>> I'm not sure whether they actually want the "name" to denote the
>>>> graph.
>>> 
>>> I'm pretty sure they do.
>>> 
>>> AFAICT, PROV has a general philosophy that goes like, “if it changes,
>>> it's a new entity”, and I read their spec as saying that bundle names
>>> are really meant to be rigidly connected to a particular set of
>>> provenance descriptions.
>>> 
>>> Whether these provenance descriptions are expressed as triples or
>>> PROV-N assertions seems secondary and interchangeable.
>>> 
>>> This doesn't mean that the “static g-box” approach wouldn't have
>>> worked for them.
>>> 
>>> Best, Richard
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> They certainly want it to denote a "bundle", which indeed will
>>>> /contain/ RDF triples, but may be distinct from an RDF graph
>>>> (especially since "bundles" do not consist of triples in the
>>>> abstract syntax). At least, it is the way I interpret it, and it is
>>>> the way I would like it to be. It gives more flexibility as the
>>>> graph IRI is not rigidly fixed to the exact set of triples
>>>> providing in a particular RDF dataset. With this view, it is even
>>>> less a problem that we do not tell them what the graph IRI
>>>> denotes.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> AZ.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Best, Richard
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Pat
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Funny enough, PROV-O has some examples that use TriG
>>>>>>>> syntax. They don't say what the syntax is, and don't
>>>>>>>> reference any spec that defines the syntax -- they just
>>>>>>>> provide the examples without comment on the syntax.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> That has already been raised as an issue on the LC documents
>>>>>>> (by me:-) and these will disappear in the CR version of the
>>>>>>> document.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Best, Richard
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> AZ.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> -- Sandro
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> AZ.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> -- Sandro
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -AZ
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pat
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from using named graphs and RDF datasets for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their bundle. But it's quite the opposite:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we have voted for the absence of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> constraints!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So they can use the RDF dataset data
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> structure the way they want. They simply have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to be warned that they should not assume any
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> particular meaning for a dataset. Therefore,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if they want to use this for bundles, they'll
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have to completely describe all the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> constraints they require when defining a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> provenance dataset. Whatever constraints they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> define will be consistent with the RDF specs,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> since our set of constraints regarding
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> datasets is empty.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, I'd have no problem telling them to go
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ahead and use datasets, and be specific in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what it means in the context of provenance
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> data.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --AZ
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Le 05/10/2012 05:40, Pat Hayes a écrit :
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 4, 2012, at 3:24 PM, David Wood
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Pat,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 4, 2012, at 15:55, Pat
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hayes<phayes@ihmc.us>   wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> David, greetings.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have been waiting for the WG to make
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a decision about datasets and named
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> graphs before getting back to the PROV
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> group, as this is the most relevant to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their 'bundle' feature. As far as I can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> see, our recent decision to gove no
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> semantics to datasets means that we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> contribute nothing to this, and the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PROV group are on their own to invent
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their own graph naming construct and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> give it the semantics they want,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> independently from the output of this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WG.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you concur?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hmm. A bundle is "a named set of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> descriptions, but it is also an entity
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so that its provenance can be described."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [1] A SPARQL dataset "represents a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> collection of graphs" and "comprises one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> graph, the default graph, which does not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have a name, and zero or more named
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> graphs, where each named graph is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> identified by an IRI." [2]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There is clearly overlap there, but I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't think the overlap is anywhere near
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> complete. It doesn't appear that the WG
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is willing to equate a "named set of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> descriptions" with a "collection of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> graphs" nor to presuppose some way to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then give the dataset a name via an IRI.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Right. And it seems to me that it is the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> second part that really matters. In their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> original request for comment they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> particularly mentioned named graphs as a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> topic of interest in connection with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bundles, and I took them to be interested
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the possibility that named graphs could
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be used to construct bundles or implement
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them in RDF in a natural way. I think, now,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the only possible answer is, no.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, it appears to me that we have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> problems with the PROV-DM document's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> definition of a Bundle from at least two
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> perspectives: We don't have semantics for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> datasets, nor do we have a syntax that we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could equate to a bundle.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't think they were expecting to find
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a ready-made bundle in RDF, but there is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now nothing in RDF which would even be of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> utility or help in creating bundles,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AFAIKS. They will have to define their own
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> extension to RDF and give it a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> purpose-built semantics of their own.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pat
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> TriG (as currently conceptualized) could
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> provide a syntax for a bundle iff we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decide to adopt some way to name the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> package itself (as some extant systems
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do, by assigning an IRI upon ingest). I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think both of those rather unlikely at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this time, although I don't think
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> implementors will cease doing so (because
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it is useful).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of course, I could be wrong since my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reading is still incomplete.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards, Dave
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [1]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.w3.org/TR/prov-dm/#term-bundle-entity
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>> [2]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-query/#rdfDataset
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>> Pat
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 4, 2012, at 2:33 PM, David Wood
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, Paul. We'll get back to you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shortly, hopefully prior to your 10
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oct deadline.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards, Dave
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 4, 2012, at 14:52, Paul
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Groth<p.t.groth@vu.nl>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Dave,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We had specific questions about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PROV-DM and PROV-O that we are keen
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on getting answered.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From the email to the RDF WG chains
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on July 24, 2012:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "We particularly wanted to call
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your attention to the Bundle
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> feature [5].
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Questions we have are: - We are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hopeful that the notion of Bundle
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should map to the notion of graph
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you are defining. Can you look into
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this? - In particular, with respect
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to Bundle do you see the construct
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mention[6] as compatible with RDF
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now and going forward - PROV-DM is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dependent on rdf types[7]. Do you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> envisage any further changes in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rdf data types?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In addition, any feedback on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PROV-Ontology document is greatly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> appreciated."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Similarly, in prov-constraints we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wondered about Bundle and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> specifically terminology of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Document and Bundle work with terms
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you will use in RDF. For example, I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have heard that the term dataset
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will be used.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We are keen on getting feedback as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> soon as possible so that are CR
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> document is in-line with what is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> forthcoming in RDF.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Paul
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 7:52 PM,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> David Wood<david@3roundstones.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Paul,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The RDF WG has discussed your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> questions below and we have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decided that it is rather
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> difficult for us to be sure that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we are responding in the way you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wish. As you undoubtedly know,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the provenance docs are getting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rather large and the constraints
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doc does not stand alone for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> review.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Are you able to formulate more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> targeted questions for us to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> consider? For example, are you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> concerned that a particular
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> feature of PROV Constraints
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> relies upon RDF semantics, or a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> particular interpretation?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Any more detailed guidance would
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> help our reviewers greatly.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards, Dave -- David Wood,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ph.D. 3 Round Stones
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://3roundstones.com Cell: +1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 540 538 9137
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 17, 2012, at 11:29, David
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wood<david@3roundstones.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Paul,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you. We acknowledge your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> request and have it on our
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> agenda [1] for Wednesday. We
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will advise our reviewers to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> send comments to your comments
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> list [2].
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards, Dave
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [1]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2012.09.19#Provenance_Constraints_Review
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>> [2] mailto:public-prov-comments@w3.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 17, 2012, at 07:07,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Paul Groth<p.t.groth@vu.nl>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Guus, David,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As you've seen, we just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> published last call of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Constraints of the PROV Data
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Model [1]. We are interested
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the RDF WG feedback on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this document.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Questions we have are: - Does
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the terminology, Bundle and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Document work with the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> terminology in the RDF WG? -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With respect to Bundle and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Document do the defined
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> constraints work with what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is potentially being
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> specified in RDF?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We are looking forward to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your feedback on this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> document and also the other
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> last call documents.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for your time, Paul
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- -- Dr. Paul Groth
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (p.t.groth@vu.nl)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.few.vu.nl/~pgroth/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>> Assistant Professor - Knowledge
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Representation&   Reasoning
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Group | Artificial
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Intelligence Section |
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Department of Computer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Science - The Network
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Institute VU University
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Amsterdam
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- -- Dr. Paul Groth
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (p.t.groth@vu.nl)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.few.vu.nl/~pgroth/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Assistant Professor - Knowledge
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Representation& Reasoning Group |
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Artificial Intelligence Section |
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Department of Computer Science -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Network Institute VU University
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Amsterdam
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
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