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Re: [All] Agenda for 21 Nov

From: Pat Hayes <phayes@ihmc.us>
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 10:19:04 -0800
Cc: David Wood <david@3roundstones.com>, RDF Working Group WG <public-rdf-wg@w3.org>
Message-Id: <BE065F57-9108-45A6-813E-D2E774C77E0A@ihmc.us>
To: Richard Cyganiak <richard@cyganiak.de>

On Nov 19, 2012, at 3:06 AM, Richard Cyganiak wrote:

> On 18 Nov 2012, at 05:22, Pat Hayes wrote:
>> But I still want to say that ill-formedness is only recognized as such when the datatype in question is being considered to be part of the entailment regime. Surely we have to do something like this, for what is one to do when faced with some RDF containing literals typed iwth an unknown datatype? You don't know if they are ill-formed or not. So I think we have to say that such literals are treated simply as denoting unknown objects in the universe. 
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> Well, I'm still not completely sure what you mean when you say, “the datatype is considered to be part of the entailment regime”.

Well, the D in D-entailment is a parameter, right? What we actually have are things like XSD-entailment and {xsd:number, xsd:date}-entailment, and so on for other sets of datatypes. The datatypes in the set D are the ones recognized by the entailment regime. 

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> But I believe we agree.

I think so as well.

> I guess a literal with unknown datatype simply denotes an arbitrary resource in IL, per the existing condition in Simple Entailment. There would be no further constraint placed on it, as there is no L2V known for the datatype.

Exactly.

Pat

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> Best,
> Richard
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>> Pat
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>>> Best,
>>> Richard
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>>>> Make sense?
>>>> 
>>>> Pat
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>>>>> 
>>>>> I'm not sure we will get to consensus on 107 or 109, but we should at least get all concerns on the table.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> Richard
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 16 Nov 2012, at 17:08, David Wood wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The agenda for our 21 Nov telecon is available at:
>>>>>> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2012.11.21
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Chair: David Wood
>>>>>> Scribe: Yves Raimond
>>>>>> Alternate: Zhe Wu
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The focus of the meeting will be on RDF Concepts.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>> 
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>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
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