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Re: rdf-spaces

From: Steve Harris <steve.harris@garlik.com>
Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 11:26:21 -0700
Cc: public-rdf-wg@w3.org
Message-Id: <D2580345-614C-4A03-816C-6D9FFB9D5ABE@garlik.com>
To: Andy Seaborne <andy.seaborne@epimorphics.com>
On 9 May 2012, at 07:04, Andy Seaborne wrote:
> 
> On 09/05/12 14:35, Sandro Hawke wrote:
>> Following the general outcry against the term "layers", and Guus'
>> endorsement of "spaces", I've renamed it for now.  So the ED is now
>> here:
>> 
>>         http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-spaces/index.html#
>> 
>> It's not yet clear to me what to discuss, on this topic, if we get there
>> in today's agenda.   One thing does seem a little pressing, because it
>> relates to Turtle:
>> 
>> I think it would be great if one could use Turtle in HTML as a dataset
>> language not just a graph language.   The easy way to do this would be
>> to say *if* there's an "id" attribute on any of the script elements
>> containing turtle, the triples parsed from that element go into a named
>> graph and the rest goes into the default graph (along with any RDFa and
>> microdata).
> 
> -1
> Don't put speculation and untested ideas in the Turtle spec.
> 
> Turtle is an RDF syntax - a graph language.
> TriG in HTML for a dataset language.

Exactly.

>> It would also be nice to have a way to say one wants the triples to
>> *also* go into the default graph
> 
> -1
> Don't say anything.  It's statements in a document.

Right. The whole reason quads were implemented was to be able to track what *triples* appears in what documents (typically found on the web, but file: is good too). If you allow/encourage web documents to circumvent this, then you break that.

- Steve

>> so if what you're doing is graph
>> annotation you don't have to repeat all the triples in the annotated
>> graph.  Maybe class="included" or something; I'm not sure how the
>> namespaces of HTML classes works these days.
>> 
>> I know this touches on something Steve said yesterday about getting
>> quads when you're expecting triples; I'll reply to that separately.
>> 
>>      -- Sandro
>> 
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