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Re: why I don't like default graphs in the DATASET proposal

From: Andy Seaborne <andy.seaborne@epimorphics.com>
Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2011 20:03:02 +0100
Message-ID: <4E88B566.6060004@epimorphics.com>
To: public-rdf-wg@w3.org


On 02/10/11 16:15, Lee Feigenbaum wrote:
> On 10/2/2011 8:18 AM, Richard Cyganiak wrote:
>> On 1 Oct 2011, at 17:53, Ian Davis wrote:
>>>>> But do you have a use case that would be solved by a dataset
>>>>> with default graph, that a dataset *without* default graph
>>>>> would *not* solve?
>>>>
>>>> Backing up the contents of a SPARQL store as a dump, and loading
>>>> it into a different SPARQL store.
>>>
>>> Where is SPARQL store defined?
>>
>> A store that supports SPARQL. Hence its data model is an RDF
>> dataset.
>
> Anzo supports SPARQL, but doesn't really use the RDF dataset as its
> model: there's no default graph in the store, only named graphs.
>
> Default graphs are assembled dynamically for a query (based on FROM
> clauses or default-graph-uri parameters); if no default graph is
> specified in the query or protocol, then the query is executed with an
> empty default graph. So the model we use is isomorphic to an RDF dataset
> with an empty default graph, I suppose, but when we serialize an entire
> Anzo store to TriG we don't explicitly include an empty default graph.
> (Though I don't suppose that really matters...)

The modes a TDB store supports are:

1/ Whatever is in the graph store - separate default and named graphs
    Most common because it includes the case of just one graph.
    Storing the default graph specially is a win at scale.

2/ Default graph is union of named graphs

3/ FROM/FROM NAMED describe the query dataset by
    taking  graphs from the pool of graphs in the graph store.
    Sounds like what Anzo is doing.

4/ Hide certain graphs from the query.
    Also works for hiding predicates or specific resources.

3 is good for a fe graphs from many; 4 is good to hide a few graphs of 
many.  4 is also useful for certain security cases.

This list has built up from user feature requests.

	Andy

>
>>> The reality is that most graph stores have names for all the
>>> graphs but designate one as the unnamed one for the purposes of
>>> SPARQL.
>>
>> That's not true. Many stores have the union of all graphs in the
>> default graph. In this common case the default graph isn't just a
>> named graph designated as the default.
>
> Or, in our case, have no default graph at all.
>
>> Also, SPARQL conformance doesn't require the model you describe.
>
> Right.
>
>> What's more important: If the default graph isn't marked somehow in
>> the dump file on export, then there's no way for the importing store
>> to tell which of the named graphs it's supposed to use as the
>> default.
>>
>> That's why a dump format for SPARQL stores needs a marker for the
>> default graph.
>
> SPARQL 1.1 Update calls this a "graph store", by the way.
>
> Lee
>
>> Best, Richard
>>
>
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