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Re: ACTION-60: Discuss Turtle doc schedule with ericP

From: Eric Prud'hommeaux <eric@w3.org>
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2011 15:53:36 -0400
To: Gavin Carothers <gavin@topquadrant.com>
Cc: Andy Seaborne <andy.seaborne@epimorphics.com>, public-rdf-wg@w3.org
Message-ID: <20110705195335.GN29890@w3.org>
* Gavin Carothers <gavin@topquadrant.com> [2011-07-05 12:37-0700]
> On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 10:33 AM, Andy Seaborne
> <andy.seaborne@epimorphics.com> wrote:
> > Looks good to publish as a WD.
> >
> > In reading through, I noticed some points, none of which block publication:
> >
> > 1/ The grammar has lost it's borders, internal and external.
> >   The table in 5.2 seems to be broken.
> >   Linsk to terminals don't work.
> 
> There are more issues then that with the grammar as a table at the
> moment. I'm okay with a WD before those are all fixed.
> 
> >
> > 2/ Hasn't the text/turtle registration been done? if so, shouldn't the
> > registration be removed? The registration references the Turtle submission.
> 
> Not sure, will defer to Eric on that one.

Yep. fair point.

I've got a ton of reviews to do tonight. These seem like trivial
changes so maybe I can get them done tomorrow AM in a way that doesn't
nullify the WG's review of the doc. and tx for your thorough review!


> > 3/ Terminology: They are not qnames - as we are deviating from XML's qnames,
> > it is better to use a different name.  They are prefixed names in SPARQL
> > (although that isn't ideal as XML NS uses that as well - not CURIE which is
> > more general).  It creates confusion otherwise.
> 
> "prefixed names" will work at the moment I guess, better then QName.
> Noting that RDFa Core 1.1 currently refers to these names as compact
> URI expressions (CURIE) in Turtle.

+1 to prefixed names, per http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-query/#prefNames

> "Note that CURIEs are only used in the markup and Turtle examples, and
> will never appear in the generated triples, which are defined by RDF
> to use IRI references."
> 
> >
> > 4/ "Turtle is intended to be compatible with, and a subset of, Notation 3"
> > then links to differences.
> >
> > The mention of N3 in the abstract and intro needs to go - Turtle is a syntax
> > in it's own right, not a subset of N3, which is a significant input but not
> > a design goal.  Many people wil come to RDF via Turtle. The fine details of
> > prefixed names, escaping etc are diffrrent.
> 
> Yes, treating turtle files as N3 doesn't work, nor is it a design goal

N3 isn't a super-language?

> any more. Removed statement about compatibility. Currently leaving the
> historical mention of N3 as the source of "useful and appropriate
> things". Added specific statement about incompatibility to the
> informative comparison section.
> 
> >
> >
> > 5/ "The recommended XML syntax for RDF, RDF/XML"
> >   This will also be a recommended syntax.
> 
> Dropping "The recommended XML syntax for RDF,", to avoid suggesting in
> anyway that someone reading the Turtle spec should think RDF/XML is
> recommended ;) Moving the whole bit about RDF/XML to the compared to
> other languages section.
> 
> --Gavin
> 
> >
> > On 05/07/11 13:37, Eric Prud'hommeaux wrote:
> >>
> >> * Guus Schreiber<guus.schreiber@vu.nl>  [2011-06-28 05:10+0200]
> >>>
> >>> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/60
> >>>
> >>> Eric and I discussed today, at K-CAP in sunny Banff, theTurtle doc
> >>> schedule. Eric thinks it is feasible to produce a first draft with
> >>> notes for open issues within a few days. If all goes smoothly, we
> >>> might be able to discuss this next week at our telecon.
> >>
> >> I expect this is too late for review for this week, but I've added two
> >> issues
> >>   plain literals are a shortcut for xsd:strings
> >>   QNames have same escaping as IRIs and strings
> >> to the working draft at
> >>   http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/tip/rdf-turtle/index.html
> >> and I'm happy to publish (modulo fixing anchors in the grammar, but
> >> that's a pubrules issue).
> >
> >>
> >>> FYI
> >>> Guus
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Prof. Guus Schreiber
> >>> Web&  Media, Computer Science
> >>> VU University Amsterdam
> >>> http://www.cs.vu.nl/~guus
> >>>
> >>
> >
> >
> 

-- 
-ericP
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