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Re: [ALL] agenda telecon 14 Dec

From: Antoine Zimmermann <antoine.zimmermann@emse.fr>
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 09:19:34 +0100
Message-ID: <4EF19696.4080604@emse.fr>
To: Pat Hayes <phayes@ihmc.us>
CC: Richard Cyganiak <richard@cyganiak.de>, David Wood <david@3roundstones.com>, Guus Schreiber <guus.schreiber@vu.nl>, RDF WG <public-rdf-wg@w3.org>, Tim Berners-Lee <timbl@w3.org>
It seems that Richard's sentence below has been interpreted as an attack 
against Pat or Pat's statement.
I did not understand it like this and I'm sure that what Richard wants 
to say is that:

"almost everything in [the one giant graph composed of all triples 
published online] is wrong, outdated, contradictory, or irrelevant to 
[his] task at hand"

which is just expressing a known truth. Maybe it is expressed in a plain 
and brutal manner, but it's simply a fact, which has nothing to do with Pat.

For this reason, taking the context into account is almost a necessity 
for anyone who wants to do useful stuff on Web data.


Le 20/12/2011 05:23, Pat Hayes a écrit :
> Richard
> I am tired of having endless arguments with people who simply do not know enough about the matter at hand to know how to use the technical language properly, and resort to ad hominem attacks. These are pale shadows of debates I have been having now for over a quarter of a century, with many people a lot smarter and more informed than you, and I no longer wish to keep going over them again. I do not care what your views are on the primacy of social meaning or the inadequacies of model theory. As far as I can tell, you have no greater claim to authority in these matters than the average undergraduate who thinks they know philosophy because they have opened a book by Nietzsche. Frankly, you bore me.
> I do not think that you and I can usefully work together. I have therefore come to the conclusion that the business of the WG will proceed better if I simply resign and let others decide how best to rewrite the semantics of RDF. No doubt it will eventually come to be as lucidly clear as SPARQL and RIF, and you will be in a better shape to deal with your tasks at hand, which I am sure are terribly important.
> I will resign from the WG as of today.
> Best wishes
> Pat
> On Dec 19, 2011, at 4:28 PM, Richard Cyganiak wrote:
>> On 16 Dec 2011, at 17:45, Pat Hayes wrote:
>>>> Nor is it clear that triples in different files or at different places belong to different graphs. In RDF 2004, we can very well believe that there is just one giant graph composed of all triples ever published online.
>>> Indeed. Is this a problem?
>> Yes, because almost everything in it is wrong, outdated, contradictory, or irrelevant to my task at hand.
>> Best,
>> Richard
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