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Re: Oracle's stand regarding N-TRIPLES

From: Pat Hayes <phayes@ihmc.us>
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 12:27:37 -0500
Cc: Richard Cyganiak <richard@cyganiak.de>, Steve Harris <steve.harris@garlik.com>, public-rdf-wg@w3.org
Message-Id: <BC629AC3-8344-4238-AF3B-178176C7852A@ihmc.us>
To: Zhe Wu <alan.wu@oracle.com>

On Aug 21, 2011, at 12:28 PM, Zhe Wu wrote:

> Hi Richard,
> 
> Well, seeing "Großräschen" is only better when the engineer understands that particular language, isn't it?

Actually, no. It is just plain better for all but a tiny fraction of human readers, anywhere on the planet. This tiny fraction includes some software engineers. I personally will simply ignore any string that contains \u escapes, and immediately cease using any software that shows them to me. And I suspect that more people share my instincts than share yours. 

Pat Hayes

> To me personally, seeing that encoded string is better than a string containing characters that I don't read.
> On the Linux terminal I am using, I can't even cut & paste that string. It only gets the "Gro" portion right.
> 
> I understand the perspective of developer usability and a possible escaping cost for implementation on
> some platforms. However, none of them seems to be significant enough to justify all the potential interoperability,
> and backward compatibility issues.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Zhe
> 
> 
> On 8/21/2011 8:06 AM, Richard Cyganiak wrote:
>> Zhe,
>> 
>> On 20 Aug 2011, at 02:34, Zhe Wu wrote:
>>> I don't see how adding UTF8 encoding can make N-TRIPLES much more useful.
>> For data debugging and developer usability, seeing "Großräschen" in an N-Triples document is better than seeing "Gro\u00DFr\u00E4schen".
>> 
>> It also decreases the cost of implementing N-Triples serializers, because they can now directly emit UTF-8 strings rather than requiring a custom escaping routine for handling non-US-ASCII characters.
>> 
>> Best,
>> Richard
> 
> 
> 

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