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Re: S5+RDFa + attribution to multiple people

From: Sergey Chernyshev <rdfa.info@antispam.sergeychernyshev.com>
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 12:15:55 -0500
Message-ID: <9984a7a70901050915m92f77bi6a0d6a635a3b799@mail.gmail.com>
To: "Nathan Yergler" <nathan@creativecommons.org>
Cc: "Ben Adida" <ben@adida.net>, RDFa <public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf@w3.org>
Nathan,

Thanks for the detailed answer - it is actually close to what I expected. It
seems that information of Legal importance is worth having a page that
describes attribution for each work or at least for each group of authors.

Please post to the list when you'll have validator public - I think, like in
TDD, it's important for standards to start with a way to test if you really
conform to them ;)

Thanks for the list link - I'll probably ask a couple of questions there.

         Sergey


On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 1:19 AM, Nathan Yergler
<nathan@creativecommons.org>wrote:

> Hi Sergey --
>
> We've had this discussion a few times at CC and decided that the way
> we're doing it now more closely models the way the licenses are
> actually written (see section 4b of
> http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/legalcode for one example).
>
> The licenses allow you to specify a name and a URL (where copyright
> information may be found) to use when attributing reuse of your work.
> The biggest question when you specify more than one attribution
> name/url pair (or more than one object) is what that really means --
> do you have to attribute them all (which the license legal text
> doesn't require -- it just says there should be a single URL) or
> choose one (which probably isn't what creators really want)?
>
> I think the key thing to remember is that the CC attribution
> information is not intended to be a replacement or proxy for things
> like contributor or creator metadata -- it's meant to convey
> information which will allow users to comply with the license. As the
> creator(s) of a work, you can decide how you want to be attributed and
> that should be an explicit, literal string.  I'd argue that in most
> cases you'd want both the attribution information as well as more
> detailed creator/contributor metadata in a document.
>
> In response to your other inquiries:
>
> * We do have a prototype validator that was developed as part of a
> Summer of Code project last year; one of the things on our agenda for
> early this year is to finish reviewing that and push it out.
> * The behavior you're seeing on the deeds is definitely sub-optimal --
> there's a bug open for it
> (http://code.creativecommons.org/issues/issue41).
> * There's a CC developer mailing list which is as good a place as any
> to ask CC metadata-related questions.  See
> http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/cc-devel.
>
> Nathan
>
> On Sat, Jan 3, 2009 at 9:33 PM, Sergey Chernyshev
> <rdfa.info@antispam.sergeychernyshev.com> wrote:
> > Hi Ben,
> >
> > I'm working on implementing RDFa encoding for presentation-related
> > information into S5 template and have a huge desire to include and
> promote
> > licensing information as part of this.
> >
> > I was doing implementation with attribution to multiple people and had
> hard
> > time making it recognized by a deed page.
> >
> > When I just use two cc:attributionName and two cc:attributionURL to
> > represent two people, deed page just concatenates two values separating
> them
> > with commas for each pair and obviously this makes bogus URL.
> >
> > It's probably not a way it should be done and some object property like
> > "cc:attributedTo" should be used instead (which in turn has single values
> > for cc:attributionName and single value for cc:attributionURL or similar
> > attributes, maybe even foaf:name and foaf:homepage) to mark both authors
> of
> > the work.
> >
> > Unfortunately, I couldn't find an object property like this in CC vocab
> > (http://creativecommons.org/schema.rdf) and there is no explanation how
> to
> > attribute work to multiple people.
> >
> > Also, it'll be great if there was some validator that would be able to
> tell
> > a user if his/her HTML is properly marked with CC using RDFa and show
> > identified properties.
> >
> > P.S. Is there any group/list I should be asking these CC+RDFa related
> > questions?
> >
> >        Sergey
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 11:54 PM, Ben Adida <ben@adida.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> Sergey Chernyshev wrote:
> >> > Dan posted good links to Creative
> >> > Commons case studies, but they don't talk about any tools that
> consumes
> >> > this data.
> >>
> >> We do have tools that consume RDFa :)
> >>
> >> First is the deed itself. If you go to
> >>
> >>  http://ben.adida.net/
> >>
> >> and click on the license in the footer, you'll see that the Deed says to
> >> "give attribution to Ben Adida [link]", what we do is look at RDFa in
> >> the referrer URL.
> >>
> >> There's more coming down the pipe with the CC Network, I'll keep the
> >> list posted.
> >>
> >> -Ben
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Sergey Chernyshev
> > http://www.sergeychernyshev.com/
> >
>



-- 
Sergey Chernyshev
http://www.sergeychernyshev.com/
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