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Re: RDFa and Web Directions North 2009 (html5/xhtml5 process)

From: Michael Bolger <michael@michaelbolger.net>
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 08:24:48 -0800
Message-ID: <49959ED0.3040404@michaelbolger.net>
To: Dan Connolly <connolly@w3.org>
Cc: Dan Brickley <danbri@danbri.org>, public-rdfa@w3.org, RDFa mailing list <public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf@w3.org>, Sam Ruby <rubys@intertwingly.net>, Tim Berners-Lee <timbl@w3.org>

Dan Connolly wrote:
 >Do you mean me, Michael?

My intent was not personnel, I certainly could
have been more thoughtful in my approach.

I wrote;"In my opinion, a street level view";
Expressing frustration, anger(healthy), that the
process, relationship of the W3C and HTML 5 looks
too one sided, against RDFa(?).

 >It's also possible you mean Tim Berners-Lee

 From years reading messages from the "semantic" lists,
I certainly like him, a caring individual, with of course,
appreciation for the web and additional fine work.

As an outsider, someone has to stir things up.

My "street" problem is with a perception that, an attitude,
"hero-worshiped", prevents a more dynamic dialog emerging
from within the W3C, due to a pear pressure fear?
Not blaming him, or any individual. A system, culture problem.

Will investigate the linked documents, presentation material.


Dan, this reply would have easier if you had gotten mad, hmm.

I sincerely hope that my "rant" might be of help, value.


Thank you for the fine message.



> On Fri, 2009-02-13 at 10:44 +0100, Dan Brickley wrote:
>   
>> +cc: Sam Ruby, TimBL, DanC
>>
>> On 13/2/09 10:27, Michael Bolger wrote:
>>
>>     
>>> Friends of XHTML, are seeing a train wreck, the same "old" W3C
>>> "hero-worshiped" "leadership" does nothing of any substance to join the
>>> battle. HTML 5 has won by default.
>>>
>>> Who, Where? is the top representative from the W3C in the html5/xhtml5
>>> process.
>>>       
>
> Do you mean me, Michael? Your first message in this thread mentions
> a number of W3C staff, so I suppose by "W3C" you mean "the W3C staff";
> Mike Smith and I are the representatives from the W3C staff
> in the WG on html5/xhtml5.
>
> I usually take "W3C" to be the membership and the community along
> with the staff, and it works best as a meritocracy, where the
> "top" people are those doing the most/best work. I tend to think
> of the engineers from Opera, Apple, Adobe, Mozilla, Microsoft,
> and Google doing lots of important work, not to mention one-man-show
> designers like Dave Shea who really blow me away. And I'm really
> jazzed by the whole free culture movement: Wikipedia,
> Creative Commons, ...
>
> But if you mean me, I'm curious: which direction do you think
> the html5/xhtml5 situation should be led?
>
> FWIW, I presented at Web Directions North 2009 as well, including
> bits and pieces on HTML, XHTML, RDFa, and such; you're
> welcome to look at the slides...
>   http://www.w3.org/2009/Talks/02wdn/slides
>
> It's also possible you mean Tim Berners-Lee when you talk about
> a top representative from W3C; if you're looking for someone to
> wield executive power from the top, I suggest you don't look
> to Tim; that's really not his style. Mostly he likes to get his
> point across by writing and sharing code, but he's often
> called on to give talks; in those cases, he tends to cheer on
> his peers that continue to build the Web. He gave a talk on html and xml
> at the W3C Tech Plenary last October; you're welcome to look
> at that too...
>   Cleaning up the Web
>   http://www.w3.org/2008/10/22-cleaning-tbl.html
>
> Another somewhat central body in W3C is the Technical Architecture
> Group; we spent the better part of 3 days solid studying
> the html5/xhtml5 landscape last September; the minutes aren't
> very polished, but you're welcome to look at them too...
>   http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2008/09/f2fkc-agenda
>
>   
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