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Re: [RDFa] ISSUE-42: @src, following up, proposal to resolve

From: Ivan Herman <ivan@w3.org>
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 12:00:54 +0200
Message-ID: <469358D6.9000106@w3.org>
To: Ben Adida <ben@adida.net>
CC: RDFa <public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf@w3.org>, SWD WG <public-swd-wg@w3.org>
Ben,

forgive me if I got it wrong here, but I think it is worth making this
absolutely clear. As far as I am concerned, it is not really the case
for me:-(

Question: what is the subject of @the_attribute_that_shall_not_be_named?

Until now, my mental model was that this attribute is simply a syntactic
sugar, ie,

<... the_attribute_that_shall_not_be_named="a:b">...

is the same as

<... rel="rdf:type" resource="a:b"...>

That means that he _subject_ of rdf:type is, well, whatever the RDFa
spec generally says on going 'up' and finding the right @about.

(Actually, if I use some of the examples in the primer, if

<a rel="rdf:type" href="http://blabla">...

then the subject of "rdf:type" is still the @about somewhere up the line.

As an aside, if so, I am not sure I understand your remark "then that
applies to @src, just like it would apply to @href." I may miss
something here, too.)

So, if I am still right (and I may not be!), it seems that both in the
case of the @src and  http://www.w3.org/mid/46900890.3030500@adida.net
we are talking about changing that mental model, ie, that in some cases
@the_attribute_that_shall_not_be_named is _not_ a shorthand for
@rel="rdf:type" because it has its own rules on choosing the subject.

I am _not_ (yet?) saying that is wrong, what I am saying that we should
be clear about it and try to come up with a reasonable definition on
what the subject for @the_attribute_that_shall_not_be_named. Otherwise
it all looks a bit ad-hoc to me, and I am not sure that is good.

Please, correct me if I got it wrong somewhere!

Ivan

Ben Adida wrote:
> Ivan Herman wrote:
>> Hm. That is not what I meant. My impression is that
>>
>> http://www.w3.org/mid/46900890.3030500@adida.net
>>
>> means that @the_attribute_that_shall_not_be_named, usually, refers to
>> the subject but, in some cases, to the object...
> 
> Right, so that's the case we're talking about for IMG, where if you use
> @class (or whatever it becomes), then that applies to @src, just like it
> would apply to @href. Am I missing your point/objection?
> 
> And Shane's comment is exactly right: @src is about embedding, @href is
> about linking, but really they should probably function very similarly
> in RDFa.
> 
> -Ben
> 

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