- From: Steven Pemberton <steven.pemberton@cwi.nl>
- Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 16:17:45 +0100
- To: RDFa <public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf@w3.org>
In Technicolor(tm):
http://www.w3.org/2007/02/12-htmltf-minutes.html
In Technimonochrome:
- DRAFT -
RDFa Taskforce weekly teleconference
12 Feb 2007
[2]Agenda
[2]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2007Feb/0042
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2007/02/12-htmltf-irc
Attendees
Present
Ben_Adida, wing, mhausenblas, Steven, Ralph, EliasT, MarkB_
Chair
Ben
Scribe
MarkB_, Steven
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]Action item list
2. [6]XHTML 1.1 Module Status
3. [7]Test Case Update
4. [8]Next call
* [9]Summary of Action Items
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Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: Michael to prepare RDF/XML - RDFa comparison wiki page
[recorded in
[41]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/12-htmltf-minutes.html#action09]
[NEW] ACTION: Ralph to check if the test suite can be hosted at the
W3C--is Tomcat available? [recorded in
[42]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/12-htmltf-minutes.html#action04]
[NEW] ACTION: Steven to put together sample XHTML2 doc with all mime
type, etc. [recorded in
[43]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/12-htmltf-minutes.html#action07]
[PENDING] ACTION: Ben start a list of RDF/XML features that are not
supported by RDFa [recorded in
[44]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/12-htmltf-minutes.html#action08]
[PENDING] ACTION: Ben to contemplate about the Dev Track [recorded
in [45]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/05-htmltf-minutes.html#action01]
[PENDING] ACTION: Ben to look into Science Commons use case
[recorded in
[46]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/12-htmltf-minutes.html#action10]
[PENDING] ACTION: Ben to update RDFa schedule on wiki to aim for
last call on June 1 [recorded in
[47]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/12-htmltf-minutes.html#action05]
[PENDING] ACTION: Elias to send email to list with use case from IBM
[recorded in
[48]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/12-htmltf-minutes.html#action12]
[PENDING] ACTION: Mark produce more examples of applicability of
n-ary relations from IPTC documents [recorded in
[49]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/12-htmltf-minutes.html#action13]
[PENDING] ACTION: Mark produce RDFa XHTML 1.1 module and spec
[recorded in
[50]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/12-htmltf-minutes.html#action14]
[PENDING] ACTION: Mark to put M12N schema up somewhere, and tell us
where [recorded in
[51]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/12-htmltf-minutes.html#action06]
[PENDING] ACTION: Michael continue work on the FAQ template that
Elias started [recorded in
[52]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/12-htmltf-minutes.html#action15]
[45] http://www.w3.org/2007/02/05-htmltf-minutes.html#action01
[DONE] ACTION: Ben to get in contact with flickr w.r.t. machine tags
[recorded in
[53]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/12-htmltf-minutes.html#action02]
[DONE] ACTION: Ben to write down the relation between GRDDL and RDFa
[recorded in
[54]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/12-htmltf-minutes.html#action11]
[DONE] ACTION: Michael produce a GUI sketch of a test interface for
12-Feb meeting [recorded in
[55]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/12-htmltf-minutes.html#action03]
[DONE] ACTION: Michael transfer issue data to SWD tracker [recorded
in [56]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/12-htmltf-minutes.html#action16]
==
<Steven> RESOLUTION: Take the call to irc channel #rdfa next week
<RalphS> RESOLVED: telecon name, code, and irc channel will be RDFA
starting next week
<Steven> RESOLUTION: Change the zakim code to rdfa (7332)
<RalphS> Previous: 2007-02-05
[10]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/05-htmltf-minutes.html
[10] http://www.w3.org/2007/02/05-htmltf-minutes.html
<EliasT> Scribe: MarkB_
All welcomed Wing on board, and he told us a little about his work
with RDFa at IBM.
Ben: Any other items apart from those in the agenda?
Michael: There has been discussion on list about using RDFa, or eRDF
within XHTML.
Ben: Would like to get 'the module' finished and then take it from
there.
Action item list
<benadida> action item review:
[11]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/05-htmltf-minutes.html#ActionSummary
[11] http://www.w3.org/2007/02/05-htmltf-minutes.html#ActionSummary
Ben continues to contemplate the Dev Track, and in particular is
looking at the RDFa clipboard use-case.
<benadida> ACTION: Ben to contemplate about the Dev Track [recorded
in [12]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/05-htmltf-minutes.html#action01]
[CONTINUES]
[12] http://www.w3.org/2007/02/05-htmltf-minutes.html#action01
<scribe> ACTION: Ben to get in contact with flickr w.r.t. machine
tags [DONE] [recorded in
[13]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/12-htmltf-minutes.html#action02]
CC are already in touch with Flickr, and there is discussion of
using RDFa in their pages.
<RalphS> YAY! to CC on Flickr
<scribe> ACTION: Michael produce a GUI sketch of a test interface
for 12-Feb meeting [DONE] [recorded in
[14]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/12-htmltf-minutes.html#action03]
<mhausenblas_> [15]http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/testsuite/
[15] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/testsuite/
Michael: Not sure if W3C could host this. Is Tomcat available?
Ralph: I think Tomcat is available...will check.
<scribe> ACTION: Ralph to check if the test suite can be hosted at
the W3C--is Tomcat available? [recorded in
[16]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/12-htmltf-minutes.html#action04]
<scribe> ACTION: Ben to update RDFa schedule on wiki to aim for last
call on June 1 [CONTINUES] [recorded in
[17]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/12-htmltf-minutes.html#action05]
<scribe> ACTION: Mark to put M12N schema up somewhere, and tell us
where [CONTINUES] [recorded in
[18]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/12-htmltf-minutes.html#action06]
<scribe> ACTION: Steven to put together sample XHTML2 doc with all
mime type, etc. [recorded in
[19]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/12-htmltf-minutes.html#action07]
Ben: Should this be removed?
Steven: Don't mind. Do you want it prioritised?
Ben: Could leave it there, but shortly we'll need an XHTML 1.1+RDFa
document, which will become higher priority.
<scribe> --continues
<scribe> ACTION: Ben start a list of RDF/XML features that are not
supported by RDFa [CONTINUES] [recorded in
[20]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/12-htmltf-minutes.html#action08]
Ben: I'm not an RDF/XML expert.
Michael: I'll help.
<benadida> ACTION: Michael to prepare RDF/XML - RDFa comparison wiki
page [recorded in
[21]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/12-htmltf-minutes.html#action09]
<mhausenblas_>
[22]http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/RDFaTerminology
[22] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/RDFaTerminology
<scribe> ACTION: Ben to look into Science Commons use case
[CONTINUES] [recorded in
[23]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/12-htmltf-minutes.html#action10]
Ben: Coming together. Looking like there might be a scientific
publication scenario; "this paper talks about these genes", etc.,
...
... rather than just "this paper was published on".
<mhausenblas_> [24]http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/RDFaGRDDL
[24] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/RDFaGRDDL
<RalphS> [25]Relationship between RDFa and GRDDL [Ben 2007-02-06]
[25]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2007Feb/0019.html
<scribe> ACTION: Ben to write down the relation between GRDDL and
RDFa [DONE] [recorded in
[26]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/12-htmltf-minutes.html#action11]
<scribe> ACTION: Elias to send email to list with use case from IBM
[CONTINUES] [recorded in
[27]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/12-htmltf-minutes.html#action12]
Elias: Need to check whether I'll still be involved in the product
in question, but should be resolved soon.
<scribe> ACTION: Mark produce more examples of applicability of
n-ary relations from IPTC documents [CONTINUES] [recorded in
[28]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/12-htmltf-minutes.html#action13]
<scribe> ACTION: Mark produce RDFa XHTML 1.1 module and spec
[CONTINUES] [recorded in
[29]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/12-htmltf-minutes.html#action14]
<scribe> ACTION: Michael continue work on the FAQ template that
Elias started [CONTINUES] [recorded in
[30]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/12-htmltf-minutes.html#action15]
Michael: I hope that Elias didn't mind that I took that action on
during his absence.
Elias: Has it been moved to the wiki?
Michael: No. I proposed that it should be moved, but seems to make
sense to leave it on the esw wiki.
<scribe> ACTION: Michael transfer issue data to SWD tracker [DONE]
[recorded in
[31]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/12-htmltf-minutes.html#action16]
<mhausenblas_> [32]http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/13
[32] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/13
XHTML 1.1 Module Status
[33]http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Group/2007/WD-xhtml-modularization-2007
0209/
[33]
http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Group/2007/WD-xhtml-modularization-20070209/
<benadida> MarkB: first needed an update to the modularization spec,
pointed to here (but not public)
[34]http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Group/2007/WD-xhtml11-20070208/
[34] http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Group/2007/WD-xhtml11-20070208/
<benadida> ... then we needed XHTML 1.1 using modularization, which
just came out.
<benadida> .
<benadida> ... now we need to create the RDFa module based on these
updated specs
<benadida> ... still missing from Shane the draft specs of the
module itself
<benadida> ... schemas to be posted on Wednesday
<benadida> ... email to SWD mailing list talks about DTDs
<benadida> ... we may get help from Shane on that front
<benadida> Ralph: expected schedule for these drafts?
<benadida> Steven: within a week to request pub as WD
<mhausenblas_> from WD to REC directly ?
<benadida> ... nothing has changed except typos and addition of
schemas. Go to PER, no normative changes.
<benadida> MarkB: RDFa module that Shane is doing at the moment
should only need to reference the modularization spec, the one that
will move very quickly.
<benadida> ... the second spec is only useful as a template for
linking, not as a reference.
<benadida> ... the most important thing is not XHTML1.1 + RDFa, it's
just the RDFa bit.
<benadida> ... delay because this is first example of a module that
uses the modularization spec
<benadida> ... and external module
Mark: Did anyone have any comments on the point about DTDs?
Steven: It is a wonder that DTDs can even get close to what we want.
... (Based mainly on wizardry from Murray Altheim and his amazing
DTD skills.)
Ben: Is this some problem with IE?
Steven: No, it's to do with validation by those that only use DTDs.
<mhausenblas_> might be a dumb question, but isn XHTML (note: X)
defined in terms of XML-Schema?
Ben: So is there a hurry?
Steven: No..it's only if someone says that they *must* validate
using DTDs.
... Should flag up that the DOCTYPE switch is often used in
documents to set standards compliant mode.
<RalphS> Mark: was the request in mail an expression of a
requirement for DTD validation?
<RalphS> Ben: not sure if it was meant as a requirement
Mark: But need to establish whether the request on the list is a
*must* for DTDs, or were they simply asking for validation.
<RalphS> Ben: ... or merely a request, so that W3C validators can
work
Michael: Should answer Simone.
Ben: We will.
<RalphS> [35]an XHTML Module for RDFa Simone Onofri [12]
[35]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Feb/0049.html
[12] http://www.w3.org/2007/02/05-htmltf-minutes.html#action01
<wing> [36]http://code.wingerz.com/rdfatests/
[36] http://code.wingerz.com/rdfatests/
<wing> [37]http://code.wingerz.com/rdfatests/coverage.txt
[37] http://code.wingerz.com/rdfatests/coverage.txt
Test Case Update
Wing: Explained what they had done with the test-suite.
<RalphS> kudos to Wing for test case work!
<mhausenblas_> [38]http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/RDFaTestsuite
[38] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/RDFaTestsuite
<RalphS> kudos to Wing and Michael for test case work!
Michael: Will continue to extend what's in the wiki page.
<mhausenblas_>
[39]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2007F
eb/0027.html
[39]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2007Feb/0027.html
Michael: Would like some feedback on my posts in the list. True that
we want to keep it simple, but we do want to get it correct.
Steven: Regarding section 2.2.2, about what needs to conform; is
that not the same question about what it is that we're testing?
... My feeling is that we're testing the spec.
<mhausenblas_> [40]http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/testsuite/
[40] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/testsuite/
Michael: This looks at whether a REST-based extra service is
conformant to the specification.
Steven: Should say that this tests the specification, and not some
implementation.
Ben: Not sure exactly what this means.
Steven: If there is some constraint in the spec then it must be
reflected in the test-suite.
... Need two implementations, to prove that it was implementable.
<RalphS> [I agree with Steven's characterization of testing]
<Steven> Scribe: Steven
Ben: Isn't this a human thing?
Steven: No, it relates to W3C process where you have to show the
spec is implementable, and consistent
<mhausenblas_> see link above
Next call
Ben: Next Monday is a public holiday in the USA (Steven Pemberton's
Birthday official celebration)
Ben: so I propose we postpone next week's call
[End of minutes]
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