- From: Ralph R. Swick <swick@w3.org>
- Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 14:15:09 -0400
- To: public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf@w3.org
The record [1] of yesterday's RDF-in-XHTML Task Force telecon is ready
for review.
[1] http://www.w3.org/2005/08/02-swbp-minutes
A text snapshot of $Revision: 1.2 $ of $Date: 2005/08/03 18:11:10 $ follows.
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SWBPD RDFXHTML TF
2 Aug 2005
See also: [2]IRC log
[2] http://www.w3.org/2005/08/02-swbp-irc
Attendees
Present
Ralph Swick, Ben Adida, Steven Pemberton, Dan Brickley
Regrets
Mark Birbeck
Chair
Ben
Scribe
Ralph
Previous
[3]2005-07-26
[3] http://www.w3.org/2005/07/26-swbp-minutes
Contents
* Topics
1. RDF Role
2. Action Review
3. Progress report on HTML link types
4. RDF Role attribute
* Summary of Action Items
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Action Review
Ben: most of my actions CONTINUE
... worried about finding an interim chair for next 6 weeks
Ralph: yeah, no progress on finding a candidate
DanBri: I'm willing to chair a few telecons but not the entire 6 weeks
Ralph: likewise
DanBri: pointer to Editor's Draft style?
Ralph: see "[10]Style for Group-internal Drafts" under "[11]The
Recommendation Track" in [12]Art of Consensus
[10] http://www.w3.org/2005/03/28-editor-style.html
[11] http://www.w3.org/Guide/Overview.html#Deliverables
[12] http://www.w3.org/Guide/Overview.html
ACTION: Ben create a way to track progress on the 3 issues of qnames,
reification, and custom attributes and elements [recorded in
[13]http://www.w3.org/2005/07/26-swbp-minutes.html#action01]
[CONTINUES]
[13] http://www.w3.org/2005/07/26-swbp-minutes.html#action01
ACTION: Ben send mail to www-html-editors to assign an issue for the
GRDDL namespace document behind the profile [recorded in
[14]http://www.w3.org/2005/07/19-swbp-minutes.html#action03]
[CONTINUES]
[14] http://www.w3.org/2005/07/19-swbp-minutes.html#action03
ACTION: Ben to notify working group via a status report of upcoming WD
of Note [recorded in
[15]http://www.w3.org/2005/07/19-swbp-minutes.html#action02]
[CONTINUES]
[15] http://www.w3.org/2005/07/19-swbp-minutes.html#action02
ACTION: Ben to put together the "ACID" test for XHTML2 RDF/A [recorded
in [16]http://www.w3.org/2005/07/26-swbp-minutes.html#action02]
[CONTINUES]
[16] http://www.w3.org/2005/07/26-swbp-minutes.html#action02
ACTION: Mark to check edge cases of inheritance in RDF/A [recorded in
[17]http://www.w3.org/2005/07/26-swbp-minutes.html#action06]
[CONTINUES]
[17] http://www.w3.org/2005/07/26-swbp-minutes.html#action06
ACTION: jjc to review rdf concepts and fragments [recorded in
[18]http://www.w3.org/2005/07/26-swbp-minutes.html#action10]
[CONTINUES]
[18] http://www.w3.org/2005/07/26-swbp-minutes.html#action10
ACTION: All take a serious look at Mark's bnode proposal summary
[19]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2005Jun
/0010.html [recorded in
[20]http://www.w3.org/2005/07/26-swbp-minutes.html#action07]
[CONTINUES]
[19] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2005Jun/0010.html
[20] http://www.w3.org/2005/07/26-swbp-minutes.html#action07
Ralph: HTML2 Last Call status?
Steven: churning through issues; schema is getting close
... we now have a complete RelaxNG version and it's being converted to
XML Schema
... f2f scheduled for early September; that's the most likely moment
to decide to go to Last Call
DanBri: have the link type definitions changed much since the Feb
[editor's] draft and the latest public WD?
Steven: there is a good [21]diff-marked version
... copyright is new
... icon and profile are also new
... in the diff, yellow is added text, green is changed text
... orange is deleted text (but I thought that this version did not
show deleted text)
[21] http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml2/xhtml2-diff.html
Progress report on HTML link types
<DanBri> [22]draft HTML link types in RDF
[22] http://www.w3.org/2005/05/hrel/
<Zakim> danbri, you wanted to ask steven if HTML link type text
changed from feb to may and to check that preferred xhtml2 ns is
exactly "[23]http://www.w3.org/2002/06/xhtml2/"
[23] http://www.w3.org/2002/06/xhtml2/
DanBri: my task was to make an RDF representation of the HTML link
types and draft a note
<Steven_> Orange colour means that the statement is a 'must'
DanBri: lots of open issues at the end of this draft
... current text is largely copied from the XML document
... would like to hear from implementors on some of the details
... some things missing; e.g. bookmark titles
... one open issue: what is the namespace URI?
... have been assuming that we'd use the XHTML2 namespace
... so what [char] is at the end of the namespace URI?
Steven: we could do a redirect if necessary -- what's the reason for
requiring it?
DanBri: TAG resolution on # vs. / and information resources [see
httpRange-14]
Steven: we put the / at the end to help with the RDF stuff; we thought
this gave us the most flexibility
DanBri: I tried to find an expansion for XHTML to use with the acronym
tag
Steven: use Extensible Hypertext Markup Language as expanstion of
XHTML
<Zakim> benadida, you wanted to ask about using RDF/A to define the
RDFS
Ben: does the httpRange-14 issue resolution mean that we can't have an
XHTML2 document containing RDF/A that is an RDF Schema for the rel
types?
Ben: it would be nice from a consistency viewpoint if we could write
the RDF schema in RDF/A
<danbri> +1 on it being nice to have an RDF/A version
<danbri> (I'd like an application/rdf+xml too)
DanBri: I think this should be possible with a combination of
redirects and content negotiation
Ralph: in a private conversation with TimBL yesterday he confirmed
that 303 and possibly 308 were the only acceptable redirection
responses for the httpRange-14 resolution
DanBri: will this make it on the TAG agenda?
Ralph: not likely unless we raise it, possibly via a use case
DanBri: I though I'd done that with a [24]purl.org example
... I'd like to propose [an updated version of] [25]HTML link types in
RDF to the SWBPD WG to be a Working Draft
... I'd like to link from this document directly to the XHTML document
[24] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2005Jul/0012.html
[25] http://www.w3.org/2005/05/hrel/
<danbri> looking at [26]http://www.w3.org/TR/xml-infoset-rdfs ... tiny
little doc
[26] http://www.w3.org/TR/xml-infoset-rdfs
DanBri: should feedback go to just the TF mailing list, or should this
be considered a joint WG task with feedback to both lists?
Steven: there is no objection to the SWBPD WG owning this
... the HTML WG has enough on its hands and are happy to just
coordinate
... fine with me to direct feedback just to the TF mailing list
DanBri: ok to point into the XHTML2 spec for the definitions?
[no objections]
<danbri> <rdf:Property rdf:about"#start">
<danbri> <rdfs:label>start</rdfs:label>
<danbri> <rdfs:comment>Refers to the first resource in a collection of
resources. A typical use case might be a collection of chapters in a
book.</rdfs:comment>
<danbri> <rdfs:range rdf:resource"#Document"/>
<danbri> <rdfs:domain rdf:resource"#Document"/>
<danbri> <rdf:type
rdf:resource"[27]http://www.w3.org/2002/07/owl#ObjectProperty"/>
[27] http://www.w3.org/2002/07/owl#ObjectProperty
<danbri> </rdf:Property>
DanBri: RDF/OWL definitions in-line or in appendix?
Steven: my preference has been to put all that in appendices
Ralph: I'd like to see it inline somewhere [appendix is fine]
DanBri: note my addition of a Class of documents
Steven: when we say 'documents' we actually mean anything addressable
by a URI -- i.e. a resource
DanBri: 'resource' is an overloaded term
... can we agree to use the TAG's definition of 'information
resource'?
Steven: fine by me
DanBri: on the ATOM mailing list there has been discussion of new link
types, identified by URI\
... I'd like to cite that from this document
<danbri> see atom-syntax
DanBri: there's a built-in set of link types in ATOM
... they've decided to use the IETF process to register new link types
... shortnames acceptable if URI has been registered with IETF,
otherwise a full URI is acceptable
DanBri: ok for me to announce the link types document to the WG when
I'm ready?
Ben: sure
RDF Role attribute
Steven: as far as I'm concerned, it's resolved
... my proposal was to make role a synonym for rdf:type
... Jeremy said he'd be happier if it were a subtype [subProperty] of
rdf:type
Ben: the role attribute can be applied to any element?
Steven: yes, it was originally introduced for accessibility
... the accessibility community began defining some roles they needed
... it dawned on the HTML WG that role was more generally useful
<Zakim> danbri, you wanted to suggest it be considered _syntax_ for
rdf:type, not a subPropertyOf (which takes us out of OWL DL/Lite for
all apps)
DanBri: we should try to avoid shutting out OWL-DL from using XHTML2
Ben: how does <div role='whatever'> apply to the element? Does this
effectively become a bnode?
Steven: it may well be
ACTION: Ben add role attribute to the [HTML] issues list [recorded in
[28]http://www.w3.org/2005/08/02-swbp-minutes.html#action08]
[28] http://www.w3.org/2005/08/02-swbp-minutes.html#action08
Ben: should this be part of the RDF Schema that DanBri is working on?
DanBri: if we're only using rdf:type it's pure syntax and doesn't
affect the schema
... is there anything else in the syntax that shows up as RDF
Properties or Classes?
Steven: don't think so
Summary of Action Items
ACTION: All take a serious look at Mark's bnode proposal summary
[29]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2005Jun
/0010.html [recorded in
[30]http://www.w3.org/2005/07/26-swbp-minutes.html#action07]
ACTION: Ben create a way to track progress on the 3 issues of qnames,
reification, and custom attributes and elements [recorded in
[31]http://www.w3.org/2005/07/26-swbp-minutes.html#action01]
ACTION: Ben send mail to www-html-editors to assign an issue for the
GRDDL namespace document behind the profile [recorded in
[32]http://www.w3.org/2005/07/19-swbp-minutes.html#action03]
ACTION: Ben to notify working group via a status report of upcoming WD
of Note [recorded in
[33]http://www.w3.org/2005/07/19-swbp-minutes.html#action02]
ACTION: Ben to put together the "ACID" test for XHTML2 RDF/A [recorded
in [34]http://www.w3.org/2005/07/26-swbp-minutes.html#action02]
ACTION: jjc to review rdf concepts and fragments [recorded in
[35]http://www.w3.org/2005/07/26-swbp-minutes.html#action10]
ACTION: Mark to check edge cases of inheritance in RDF/A [recorded in
[36]http://www.w3.org/2005/07/26-swbp-minutes.html#action06]
[NEW] ACTION: Ben add role attribute to the [HTML] issues list
[recorded in
[37]http://www.w3.org/2005/08/02-swbp-minutes.html#action08]
[End of minutes]
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[29] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2005Jun/0010.html
[30] http://www.w3.org/2005/07/26-swbp-minutes.html#action07
[31] http://www.w3.org/2005/07/26-swbp-minutes.html#action01
[32] http://www.w3.org/2005/07/19-swbp-minutes.html#action03
[33] http://www.w3.org/2005/07/19-swbp-minutes.html#action02
[34] http://www.w3.org/2005/07/26-swbp-minutes.html#action02
[35] http://www.w3.org/2005/07/26-swbp-minutes.html#action10
[36] http://www.w3.org/2005/07/26-swbp-minutes.html#action06
[37] http://www.w3.org/2005/08/02-swbp-minutes.html#action08
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